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Old 07-12-2005, 01:04 PM   #1
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Traditional or Inline and why

Do you shoot a traditional or an inline (I know, inlines have TECHNICALLY been around since percussion caps, but you know what I mean)? What made you make that choice?

I shoot traditional, mainly because I was able to pick one up for $60 with a synthetic stock and spent another $40 for a wooden stock, giving me a nice "personalized" firearm for $100. I guess I'm saying that I'm cheap.
Seriously, if I could have gotten an inline decently, I may have done that, but I always wanted a traditional style. Now that I know that they are fun and inexpensive to shoot (did I mention I'm cheap?), I want to start expanding my collection for other game besides deer.

Besides being cheap, I just like the look and feel of hunting with something that doesn't rely too much on modern conviences (scope, shotgun primer, enclosed action, etc) and takes some of the "shopping" out of "hunting". Somehow, the in line just doesn't appeal to me, even though they are good firearms. Kind of the same reason that usually my 1911 sits in the safe and the S&W mod 15 rides my hip.

Just wondering how everyone else feels.
 
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Old 07-12-2005, 01:10 PM   #2
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I choose to hunt and shoot the traditional Lyman Hawken because its the kind of rifle my forefathers used and I feel closer to and like I'm honoring them. Goofy huh?

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I shoot traditional.
Part of it is for the same reasons RIKA does.
The other part is because it's harder. There's more challenge in target shooting with then than some scoped abomination of a frontstuffer, and also hunting. I figure the whole reason behind a muzzleloading season is because they are traditionally harder to hunt with than centerfires. Gussying up some synthetic stocked bolt-action mizzleloader with a scope and all that takes the sport out of it, as does shooting the lightest saboted bullet you can find over the heaviest BP substitute to try and make a centerfire out of it.

IMO, if you need to make your frontstuffer as close to a centerfire as possible to be able to use it, then wait a couple of weeks for general gun season. I guess it just irks me when people do everything they can to get around the rules. It's just greed and laziness. greed because you don't NEED that meat to live (if you did, you'd take it any way you had to, rules be damned), and lazy because you don't have the gumption to do it the right way (flame on). Not to mention you're screwing yourself out of a lot of the fun of it.
 
 
Old 07-12-2005, 09:17 PM   #4
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traditional or inline. well it occurs to me that if you shoot an inline your just streching the centerfire season. traditional style BP guns put you on the same footing as our for fathers. it requires more hunting skill to get close to the game to use it. i have a lot of scoped rifles, but i have found over the years, that the times that i used a rifle with only irons on it, i had a hunt that was alot more fun. but with age the old eyes start to go a little bit and i wonder if there will ever be a time when i can't use iron sights anymore. but an inline muzzle loader is defeating the purpose of having a black powder season. put a scope on it with saboted pistol slugs and what do you have. you have a blackpowder centerfire rifle that will take game at almost the same ranges that the average, or above average hunter will take game with a smokeless centerfire gun. using the inline just spoils the adventure of using BP in an age when people are in too big of a hurry anyway. oh well to each his own. the inline shooters can hurry up with there hunt and get out of the field, it just leaves more space in the woods for me.

now ya'll got me thinking about going BP hunting again, the wife will love this another 3 weeks of hunting for me. i guess i need to take the old smoker down and see if i can still hit the burm with it.
 
Old 07-13-2005, 04:35 AM   #5
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OK, it seems I'm not alone in my preferance for traditional style black powder.
This also got me thinking about all the other "must have gear". In a couple weeks, my email and mailboxes are going to start getting swamped again with all the catalogs and deals on the latest and greatest hunting equipment. I've got boxes of hunting clothes and equipment that was the latest rage at the time I made the purchase. When the season rolls around however, I find myself wearing my standard bird vest until the weather gets too cold. Once the temp drops way off I find myself going back to the old standard of wool pants and jacket, and non insulated "bean boots" with heavy wool socks. Why do we keep trying to change the stuff that works? Instead of getting the scent proof chewing gum and all the other stinky stuff to "hide" my scent, I more often rely on a piece of string tied to the muzzle to tell me which way the wind is blowing. Instead of one of my new knives, an old Western with a 4 inch blade and a multitool and good folder are my choices.
This year I think I'm going to save some bucks and just use what has worked for decades instead of trying to get the new crap. The money saved will be better spent on ammo at the range, and it's more fun to shoot than to shop anyway.
 
Old 07-13-2005, 05:50 AM   #6
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Its very strange that you post this, Tuna. Contrary to the stereotype of women, I'm most comfortable in a pair of old jeans and an old shirt; In fact I dress this way most of the time. I have nice pretty clothes too but they're reserved for business and special occasions. My hunting clothes are the same, old jeans and shirt along with boots and floppy hat. I add a military field jacket and sweater when it gets cold. The latest fads in guns and calibers leave me cold. The last hunting gadget I bought several years ago was a Trailtimer and I was disappointed in its performance. Guess my greatest weakness is knives. I kind of have a collection, both high quality and cheap. I have the most fun finding and buying cheap hunting knives, usually made in Tiawan and China. Surprisingly, most have been of good quality and with good steel that takes and holds an edge. I can't get down on folks who want to buy all the latest gadgets and can afford it but it really doesn't take an awful lot to have an effective hunt and to enjoy it thoroughly.

Just my thoughts

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Yeah, I don't even look at the clothes sections of the outfitter catalogs anymore. I never bought the stuff. Heck, my boots, jeans, shirt and cowboy hat have worked for years (OK, decades), so why change? Besides, in deer season, we have to wear a minimum amount of blaze orange. Kinda makes several hundred dollars of camo a moot point, eh? It neve gets cold enough for wool or longjohns here, but if it gets cool, I'll wear a jean jacket, or if it gets cold, my duster (that matches my hat) goes along.

As for gun fads, I think the newest caliber I own is .308 and I rarely hunt with it. Most often I grab a .45-70. For BP season it's my Lyman GPH (Note to Razorback: get the Great Plains Rifle, the one with the 1-in-60 twist and shoot balls. Contrary to what people who don't know muzzleloaders tell you, balls kill well. Like anything else, it matters more where you hit the animal than what you hit it with.). Heck, I'm even drooling over flintlocks now (seems as I get older, so do my tastes, and I STARTED my rifle hunting with a .45-70. . .).

Besides, it's more fun (and interesting, not to mention skill-building) to get within 50 yards of your quarry than sniping from 400.
 
Old 08-15-2005, 04:38 PM   #8
 
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i shoot traditonal because i like thay look and i figure if thay were good enough for the mountain men then thay are good enough for me. it is nice to knoy that i am not the only one who likes to shoot like this.
 
Old 08-16-2005, 02:01 PM   #9
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You're not the only one by a long shot Bull420. I've been hunting with traditional black powder rifles for 21 years now.
 
Old 08-20-2005, 04:11 PM   #10
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Interesting thread I have been toying with the idea of geting into muzzle loaders for hunting. This would allow me some better seasons with fewer hunters plus more of a hunt than with centerfire. I can't say either way what I might end up with but it will not have a scope and will be a less than 100 yard shooter any suggestions from any experience smoke pole shooters would be welcome for sure.
 
Old 08-20-2005, 04:33 PM   #11
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Do you want to build your smokepole or buy one? If build, Dixie Gun Works, Thompson Center and Lyman offer excellent kits. The above three also offer complete made up guns of the same model. I have a (not a kit) 50 cal Lyman Hawken that is an excellent shooter and I expect to hunt with it this fall. There are scores of custom builders too. It all depends on how far you want to get into Black Powder and how much you want to spend. Its a great sport and I truly enjoy it.

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Old 08-30-2005, 08:07 PM   #12
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Traditional, because that's what my dad bought me 25 yrs ago, and it's worked fine ever since.
 
Old 08-31-2005, 05:59 PM   #13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIKA
Do you want to build your smokepole or buy one? If build, Dixie Gun Works, Thompson Center and Lyman offer excellent kits. The above three also offer complete made up guns of the same model. I have a (not a kit) 50 cal Lyman Hawken that is an excellent shooter and I expect to hunt with it this fall. There are scores of custom builders too. It all depends on how far you want to get into Black Powder and how much you want to spend. Its a great sport and I truly enjoy it.

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Oops sorry for not replying life seems to get in the way all the time. I would not take the chance of building one myself. Even though I work a trade( some what unique trade) I am not mechanical enough to under take a home builder. I would buy one ready to go and start making clouds of smoke and nasty smell. This will probably not happen untill next year but it is good to be informed before hand.
 
Old 05-27-2006, 07:49 PM   #14
 
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I will only do the "Traditional" thing,
100 grains of fffg and a 50 cal ball and my 1611av.
 
Old 05-27-2006, 11:36 PM   #15
 
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I don't (yet) own any muzzleloaders but if I did have one it would be traditionally styled.

There are two reasons to own/shoot/hunt with a BP gun:

1. Its classy as hell
2. Its harder

Inlines are

2. Ugly and classless
3. As easy as a centerfire

I feel the same way, to a degree, about scoped/laser guided crossbows.
 
Old 10-29-2006, 08:52 AM   #16
 
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The muzzleloading deer seasons in most states came to be because of the efforts of buckskinners and traditional muzzleloading rifle shooters. They spent their time and money to lobby the lawmakers to give them a season away from MODERN guns and MODERN hunters.

If you hunt in THEIR season with a modern inline rifle then you are taking a giant **** on these people. You are twisting the rules and the intent of the season to suit your agenda, which is to hunt where you are not supposed to be.

If you like modern guns then feel free to use them in the modern gun season and stay out of the woods during muzzleloading season.
 
Old 10-29-2006, 10:54 AM   #17
 
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gee-CORN-BREAD! [and every-body else, as i've just read all replys]I certainly can see your point of view,BUT!,,some of 'these'
guys hunt for meat,and,meat ONLY!, you know there are innumerable'stories'
about "the one that got away" wet charge/flash in the pan!

personally, I'd go with the 'in-line' pre-measured powder-pellets/209 primer/saboted pistol hollow-point bullets/SCOPE,,,THEN TURN THE GARDEN-HOSE LOOSE ON IT AFTER MY 'buckskinnin' CHORE was completed !

but that's just me, hell, I've killed more with a pistol than a rifle.[shuuu we'll keep that just between us,O.K.]



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Old 10-29-2006, 11:09 AM   #18
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[QUOTE=Cornbread2]If you hunt in THEIR season with a modern inline rifle then you are taking a giant **** on these people. You are twisting the rules and the intent of the season to suit your agenda, which is to hunt where you are not supposed to be.[QUOTE]

Amen.

Bowhunters are about to start realizing the same thing as more and more states allow crossbows. I'd almost feel bad for them if a lot of them werent' the same guys who use inlines in muzzleloader season.
 
Old 10-29-2006, 11:32 AM   #19
 
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look guys, I expressed a personal view based on the times 'in-field' I'VE
enjoyed and suffered

BUT,I CERTAINLY don't see the need to start draggin' bow-hunters[TRUE GLUTTONS FOR PUNISHMENT/DISAPPOINTMENT] INTO this civil discourse
of esteemed,learnerd indviduals!!!,,,!

 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brass hammer
gee-CORN-BREAD! [and every-body else, as i've just read all replys]I certainly can see your point of view,BUT!,,some of 'these'
guys hunt for meat,and,meat ONLY!, you know there are innumerable'stories'
about "the one that got away" wet charge/flash in the pan!
If one needs meat he can pop one behind the ear with a .22 any night he wants to.

I can go out tonight with my .22 and kill more deer than I can haul in my truck.

And if he needs meat and wants to hunt legally he still has the modern gun season to do so.
 
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