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Old 11-19-2006, 12:11 PM   #41
 
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The Amish are idiots. Much like yourself.
 
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Old 11-20-2006, 04:30 PM   #42
 
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The Amish are idiots. Much like yourself.
NOW I'll contribute to this thread!

I just got done watching Jim Shockey's Hunting Adventure on The Outdoor Channel, not really watching, but it was on. There is a segment called "The Big Ones" that is all archive footage from the old days, the one part of his show I will get up to watch.

In this segment, Howard Hill (who performed all the archery feats in 'Robin Hood', 1938 w/ Erroll Flynn) just got done shooting silver dollars and $0.50 pieces IN THE AIR with his long bow.

Now would that make anybody who uses a compound bow for thier hunts during bow season a CHEATER?

I mean ****! If your not mixing your own black powder, after making your own charcoal and digging your own sulfer, your CHEATING during muzzle loading season? God forbid you use a black powder subsititute like Goex! Much less pelletized, sulfer free, pre-wieghed charges from pyrodex! Give me a break.

**** it! The Amish are IDIOTS. I'm convinced. End of story.
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Old 11-20-2006, 08:39 PM   #43
 
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AH,-HA!,,for the true art of "RATIONALISM",, is being VOICED.


 
 
Old 11-20-2006, 08:47 PM   #44
 
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The Amish are idiots. Much like yourself.

look pal! I'LL meet you an'yer' CONJOINED KEY-BOARD FRONT-STUFFER BROTHER,,,ANY ****IN DAY!,,[life is gotten rather mundane since I'VE STOPPED killin' folks.]
 
Old 11-21-2006, 10:02 AM   #45
 
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We all know what the origional intent was when the blackpowder seasons were opened.

It was to give the buckskinners and traditional muzzleloader shooters a season to themselves.

It was basically designed to keep idiots like this brass hammer moron out of the woods while real men were hunting with real guns.
 
Old 11-21-2006, 10:27 AM   #46
 
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CB2, And we all know what the original intent of the archery season was. The point being that given time technology is advanced regardless of personal feeling and opinions. This of course includes all the technological advances made to bows and you don't HAVE to use a long bow like Howard Hill (though I wish I could!) Just because of the original intent of archery season.

As long as it isn't illegal it come down to just that, choice based on personal feeling and opinion.

It's my personal feeling and opinion thhat "the Amish" AREN"T idiots. But hey! That's just my personal opinion, based on my personal feelings. No real reason to understand it, much less respect it. Is there?

Same so for me putting on the new Nikon Omega BCD scope especially made for muzzle loading rifles, on a muzzle loader that I don't have... yet.

BUT IF I DID!! I'd ****ing scope that pig!

Now if you want to talk about scopeing a lever gun, I'd have to meet you after school in the green field! That would just be so UNtraditional it would be idiotic!

But that's just my personal feeling and opinion. You see my point?
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Old 11-21-2006, 03:29 PM   #47
 
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CB2, And we all know what the original intent of the archery season was. The point being that given time technology is advanced regardless of personal feeling and opinions.
The advancement of technology is fine as long as it does not involve changing the intent and spirit of the sport.

I shoot a lot of CMP Garand matches. The rules say the rifles must be as issued condition. There can be no NM parts or mods. You can have new parts but they must be milspec and in the original form as the US parts.

No one is allowed to shoot that does not wish to follow the rules.

There are many match mods that can be done to the Garand to make it more accurate but if you use a match modified Garand in a Garand match you are cheating and you are not wanted.

The CMP makes the rules. It is THEIR match.

The buckskinners and traditional muzzleloading shooters started the seasons. It is THEIR season. If one wants to hunt in their season they should respect their intent and not show up with modern guns.
 
Old 11-21-2006, 04:13 PM   #48
 
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No one is allowed to shoot that does not wish to follow the rules.

The buckskinners and traditional muzzleloading shooters started the seasons. It is THEIR season. If one wants to hunt in their season they should respect their intent and not show up with modern guns.
CB2, I suppose your right, let me get out my copy of the '06 AZG&F Dept. Hunting Regulations pamphlet and I'll get back to you. YMMV, as I don't have copies of all 50 states regs. But I will check out the AZ rules and let you know. I am curious, where do you dig your sulfer at?
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:35 PM   #49
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CB2 i've also shoot a few CMP garand matches in my time. i relize that the rifles are not supposed to have any NM parts on them. well find me an op-rod thats not got a NM on it and i mite use it. i do relize that op-rods can be found without the NM on them but there scarce as hens teeth, good ones are not easy to find. i have yet to have a judge dunn me for a few NM parts on a rifle thats 50 plus yrs old. when you talk about a rifle having to have mil-spec parts, well then you had better get rid of any SA rifle that has been made in the past 15 yrs. the m-1 garands ain't mil-spec and the m-1a's are not even close either. so they over look certin parts of the rules in order to have competitors on the firing line. so much for my soap box will have to wash the footy prints off'n it now.
 
Old 11-21-2006, 08:18 PM   #50
 
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CB2, It's pretty cut and dried, at least in AZ:

R12-4-101
Definitions

14. A “muzzle loading handgun” means a firearm intended to be fired from the hand, incapable of firing fixed ammunition, having a single barrel and single chamber, and loaded though the muzzle with black powder or synthetic black powder and firing a single projectile

15. A “muzzle loading rifle” means a firearm intended to be fired from the shoulder, incapable of firing fixed ammunition, having a single barrel and single chamber, and loaded though the muzzle with black powder or synthetic black powder and firing a single projectile

R12-4-304
Lawful methods of taking wild mammals birds and reptiles

Antelope
A.1.b. Muzzle loading rifles

And it goes on like this for each species till turkey, which I add FYI the rimfire aspect

Turkey
C.9.b. Muzzle loading rifles
C.9.i. .22 Rimfire Magnum
C.9.j. 5mm Rimfire Magnum
C.9.k. .17 Rimfire Magnum

Seasons for lawfully taking wild mammals, birds and reptiles.
R12-4-318
C.1. An individual participating in a muzzle loader season shall not use or posses any other firearm than a muzzle loading rifles or muzzle loading handguns, as defined in R12-4-101.

Source: http://www.azgfd.gov/h_f/documents/A...s06-07_001.pdf

Nothing at all about respecting people w/fuzzy hats. Respect that could be adapted for use w/the Amish? Luck w/that.
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Old 11-21-2006, 09:20 PM   #51
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I was just reading an interesting thread on another board. It seems that last year Mississippi changed the rules for their "primitive weapons" (formerly "muzzleloading") season to allow single shot cartridge rifles. These rifles must have an external hammer, be of a type that existed before 1900, and be of .38 or larger caliber. For most people that boils down to 38/55, 44 Mag., or 45/70. Apparently NEF Handi-rifles and H&R Buffalo rifles in 45/70 are selling like hotcakes down there for use in this season. Any cartridge .38 caliber or over is legal whether old or new, and can be loaded with smokeless powder and a jacketed bullet. I'm not sure whether scopes are legal, but I assume they are. In other words, they are now using guns in the "primitive weapons" season that I would choose for the modern weapons general season. They were saying that muzzleloaders, both inline and traditional, are fast disappearing in Mississippi.
Best regards, BIGBORE
 
Old 11-22-2006, 04:50 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Cornbread2
We all know what the origional intent was when the blackpowder seasons were opened.

It was to give the buckskinners and traditional muzzleloader shooters a season to themselves.

Thinking on it more, I think the original reason for the season was to be able to allow hunters to take out more deer to keep the population of antlered rats at a reasonable level while keeping the nancy-boys from peeing thier pants about people in the woods hunting.
Sheeple won't notice a BP hunter (modern or traditional) shooting at a deer since they will only hear one shot and not the volley that you hear durning regular season. This may also explain why NEF type rifles are now allowed, as the previous post said.
This also lets the state sell a "primitive firearms" stamp and collect more revenue. The hunters only pay a small fee for the stamp ($5.00 in MA) for being allowed to extend our seasons. Everyone wins.

Mass is trying to use this thinking to allow Sunday hunting. The thought is if we can get bow hunting allowed on Sunday, then we can follow with Black Powder, and maybe follow up with shotgun season (no rifle season here). It may work, but my beef is that this only helps out deer hunters, and us birders are left out in the cold.
 
Old 11-22-2006, 06:09 AM   #53
 
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, well then you had better get rid of any SA rifle that has been made in the past 15 yrs.:
The SA Inc Garand is not legal in a Garand match because it is not a USGI Garand.

It is a commercial copy using a few GI parts with a cast reciever.

The last Springfield Armory Garand was made in the mid 50's and Springfield Armory closed it's doors in 1968 or '69 and they have not made ANYTHING since.

And the vast majority of Garand OP rods were not marked NM.
 
Old 11-22-2006, 06:15 AM   #54
 
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Thinking on it more, I think the original reason for the season was to be able to allow hunters to take out more deer to keep the population of antlered rats at a reasonable level while keeping the nancy-boys from peeing thier pants about people in the woods hunting.

In most of the States these seasons were not the product of the fish and wildlife people. It was not their idea.

The buckskinners and traditional muzzleloading shooters spent their time and money getting these seasons in place.

It is THEIR season.
 
Old 11-22-2006, 01:08 PM   #55
 
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I don’t mind wearing animals, at least when their dead
But a funny, furry hat is not what I want on my head

I do not want to wear moccasins on my feet
I do not think it is really all that neat

A buckskin shirt and leather pants
Does not my hunting experience enhance

I won’t belt on a tomahawk
Though those who do, I will not mock

What I want in my freezer is meat
I just do not want a historic fashion show, in which to compete
If I do not wear what you say, then I guess I’m a cheat?

If you feel that you must, it seems more like a stunt
I just do not want to play dress up just for my hunt
If you insist that I do, then your being a bit of a… well… let’s just say nut

If the gun I choose hath no frizzen
That does not mean I should go to prison

Just because you play dress up, doesn’t mean it’s “YOUR SEASON”
I’ll dress how I want and shoot what I want, for what ever my DAMN REASON

In closing let me just say this
I’ll shoot what I want and try not to miss
In spite of your protest, complete with the hiss

Or perhaps because of it!


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Old 11-22-2006, 07:58 PM   #56
 
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If they ever open a deer season only for handicapped people there will be thousands of able bodied hunters buying wheelchairs.
 
Old 11-23-2006, 01:22 PM   #57
 
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AZ already has a handicap hunter's license that allows you to shoot from a vehical as long as the vehical is not in motion or the engine is running. You should check your state's regs.
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Old 11-28-2006, 06:36 PM   #58
 
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[QUOTE=Cornbread2]Lets say that a group of Corvette owners got together and spent a lot of time and money to rent a piece of land to have a Corvette owners get together and cook out.

You come by in your Toyota Camry and since you can say your Toyota is also a car then you should be able to get into their cook out for free.


They are not going to see it that way. You don't own a Corvette. You did not pay your dues to the club. You just want to enjoy the benefits of the Corvette club without adding anything to the club.

You could even try to alter your Toyota so it looks like a Corvette so you can sneak in.


LOOK, 'FISH-MILT'!!!,,, THE WOODS AIN'T YOURS.

now i 'kin' over-look the splay of yer' "secret-squirrel-hurl" of the term "IDIOT",,yes I can, as in YOUR ATTACK/ASSUALT,, IT DREW 'no' BLOOD FROM THE 'HIDE' OF AN "ironspine",,,in fact, 'turtle-bait'!!!,,,yer'a'goooonna' hav'ta,,,LEAVE THE 'shelters/confines of the KIDDIE-POOL, AND FLOUNDER INTO THE DROWNING DEPTHS OF 'deeper-waters' BEFORE "you" ATTEMPT TO
"FUZZ-UP" this ******S INDIAN-ASS!
 
Old 11-28-2006, 10:48 PM   #59
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brass you have a way with words.
now i'm not always sure what your talking about, but you do have a way with them there wordy things.
 
Old 11-30-2006, 11:00 PM   #60
 
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thanks brother! now I admit to enjoying THIS BOARD/FORUM
TO IT'S CYLINDER-BORE-FULL-TILT-BOOGIE! ,,, although,,,I'LL not suffer 5th-grade foolish BULL-****\IN A ANALOGY while I thought we're engaged in a civil DISCOURSE[and there is a 'fine art' to talkin' smack/trash/****,,but to pull it into the light of a HIGH-LUSTER is just a fun/light thing in a MASTERS TRAINING]
 
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