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Registered User Joined: May 2014 From: USA Posts: 3,050 | i've never seen the point, really, in big bores
I mean, what;s it supposed to accomplish, anyway? the 223 will kill men to distances far beyond what anyone can reliably hit, under field conditions. Beyond 500 yds or so, nothing will expand a big game softppoint (reliably) cause such expansiion requires 1800 fps at impact. So all you're doing is poking a little hole in the animal, creating litttle shock, damage or blood loss. The further the animal is away, the more likely it is that he'll move while the bullet's in the air. So the odds of gut shooting it go way up and it's got a BIG head start on getting away from you. You're certainly not going to hit it AGAIN as it flees, at such a distance other than by a pure fluke. It's well proven that even the .458 to the chest won't always stop a wart hog or a zebra and that a 308 sp to the chest will normally suffice. So wtf bother with big bores or magnums? They just don't have much to offer in the way of practical advantage and they are hard on your shoulder, ear and wallet. Bad trade, man. Last edited by nikto; 01-30-2016 at 11:33 AM. |
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Registered User Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 22 |
nitko, I agree for human targets the 223/556 is by far better. The big bores are used buy most guides in Alaska (hence the guide gun or 45-70) as bear defense, and in Africa for large and dangerous game. I personally use a 45-70 lever action for most of my hunting. With a hard cast bullet of 405grs @1700fps it punches right through a deer, or hog leaving just a silver dollar sized hole through the animal, and that includes bone and hide. You can eat right up to the hole. I also reload a speer hot core 350gr bullet that I push to 2400fps with about 4000ft/lbs of energy out of my ruger #1 that expands nicely and does tremendous tissue damage and hits like a freight train with 24 to 30 inches of deep penetration, a good load for moose, black bear, and elk. I have never had to take more than one shot with the 45-70, and most drop right there. I never had to track a hog, deer, or elk. Oh and this is my first post on this forum as my days are quite busy as the local gunsmith in my small town. Regards, JB Last edited by jbaker30; 01-29-2016 at 02:34 PM. |
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Registered User Joined: May 2014 From: USA Posts: 3,050 |
I don't believe the silver dollar size hole from a swc or lfp. a bit more than caliber size, and that's it. silver dollar is 1.5" in OD. Big game season is very short. What to do with the big clunk the rest of the year? :-)
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Registered User Joined: Jun 2004 From: Canadian Badlands Posts: 9,309 |
Given that many of us, live in wildly different geographical locations, not all of us will hunt under the same conditions or distances. To top that off, long range shooting is a practiced skill and the sizes of animals in those geographical areas vary in size. Yes gun kid we know your attitude about survival in an are that sees snow during portions of the year, but some of us have over come our fear of winter survival and learned to thrive. You have chose to limit yourself, that is fine... for you. We will continue to choose calibers that are effective in our geographical areas and be flexible. |
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Registered User Joined: May 2014 From: USA Posts: 3,050 |
sure you have. Try it WITHOUT modern marvels being shipped in every year, liar. Even Brad Angier had a TON of food and gear shipped in, every year. Ditto the Eskimos, for over a century now. :-)
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Registered User Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 22 | Quote:
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Registered User Joined: May 2014 From: USA Posts: 3,050 |
they would foul the bore heavily at such speeds. sometimes theres a majic combo ofalloy, tempering and lube that lets you exceed, in SOME guns but you're better off to just paper patch them Google for castboolits.com forum. good info there
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Registered User Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 22 | Quote:
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Registered User Joined: May 2014 From: USA Posts: 3,050 |
no prob. People who don't EFF with me have always been treated well.
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