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Old 11-13-2016, 01:06 PM   #1
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if could take 70 lbs, no hostiles, but also

not have to travel far, and could not avail self of livestock or granaries or caches, it could still be done, long term if you know what you're doing. 2.5 lbs of medical kit instead of 5 lbs of armor. 10-12lbs of pemmican, 4.5 lbs of salt, 12 lbs of guns and ammo (no pistol, just 30 rds of 223, 250 rds of .22lr, half subsonic, half stingers, ) 5 lbs of wool blanket, with a zipper to alter it to bag configuration, (sleeping bags get torn, soaked, eff THAT bs) the 6-8 lbs of water, the usual 14 lbs of survival kit/clothing, a spare pair of gloves, and 13 lbs of gillnets, trotlines, mousetraps, rat-traps, plastic bags, a lot more cordage, Gorilla tape, batteries, firestarters and wire than normal (for the BOB) Conibears, snares, seeds, E-tool, axe, blade for a bucksaw, another 2 quart container and lid, more soap and bug dope, more socks! :-) Mousetraps will catch birds, so will rattraps. Rodents are a very serious threat to your stored food!

the 4 lb AR would still get the nod, because of weight/bulk of the ammo, luminous sights. see thru mount, .22 unit. if you dont have to run from enemies or to finish off enemies, evade fire or flood, and dont have far to go before you can dump most of it and set up camp, yeah 70 lbs is feasible, IF you are big, strong and used to it, with good boots and socks, and vasoline the "hot spots' on your feet, crotch and armpits.

when you LIVE out there with the big critters, you can often (enough) arrange for 50m or less brain shots. Most of the time, anyway, it will be small game with the .22lr unit or deer, hogs, antelope, (chest shots at sub 150 yds) with the 10.5" barreled 223 sp. Yes, still favor the silencer, cause it doesnt run off game. Still want the solar charger and the night vision, cause a lot of game is best sought at night. Fish will be the main fresh flesh food, and much of it can be preserved, too. Most of the birds/small game will be snared and if you can arrange a sub 50m head shot, the .22 unit will take deer, hogs. It will also take coyotes, lynx, turkeys to such ranges, with chest hits.

In such a situation and time, be sure to trap/shoot all the predators and raptors that you possibly CAN, because they will be eating YOUR food critters. Eat THEM instead. :-) Even if you think that the coyote at 100 yds will just run off with your .22 hit, he WILL die and that means 100 more rabbits per year for you.

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Old 11-13-2016, 01:12 PM   #2
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Unless you are deliberately seeking big game, the AR should be kept in 22lr "mode", contrary to what should be the case for shtf/combat-risk. 7 lbs of pemmican will buy you a week of HARD work, which should be plenty of time to set up the fish weirs, (baited) with the gill net "wings", and to have plenty of hits on the trotlines and traplines. Try to save the remaining 3 lbs until you've salt-dried a LOT of fish and game and found many types of plant food, honeybee hives, tapped some birch or maple trees for sap, etc.

three of the 4 eyehooks normally carried, screwed into as close a group as possible, finish cutting with the chisel, then drive in a short stick, hollowed with the eyescrews, as the tap for your sap. Being able to store large amounts of sweets, of some kind, is a major boost to mood and metabolism.

get busy making baskets and clay pots. You'll need them badly.

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Old 11-13-2016, 01:28 PM   #3
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4 lb, 10.5" barreled AR, 1 lb of scope and mount, 30 rd mag of 60 gr 223 sps', (1 lb) 3/4 lb of silencer, 3/4 lb of .22lr conversion unit, 65 rds of 22lr and it's 80 lbs, same as a very lw ky rifle, without the possibles bag (ie, at least half a lb) powder horn, starter rod, patchs, cleaning gear (another half a lb) 140 grs per .45 cal ball, so 50 to the lb, 70 grs of powder, so 100 shots to a lb. 12 lb total for 100 shots. With the AR's total at 8 lbs, you'd need 11 lbs to have as many shots with the muzzleloader. That's another 400 rds of .22lr ammo. With all the advantages of rapidfire, taking it down and covering it vs rain, etc, night sights, silencer, scope, 3x the effective range. So, no, you dont need the 2 pack animals per man that the Lewis and Clark people took. You're not going nearly as far, either. The Indians saved those guys, numerous times, but you can't count on such.
 
 
Old 11-13-2016, 01:29 PM   #4
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The AR is just unmatched as a "problem" longarm, even if combat and/or dog packs AINT part of the scenario (and they WOULD be, nearly always).
 
Old 11-13-2016, 01:30 PM   #5
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frontloaders and single shot shotguns are no help in a fight, and aint at risk of being outlawed. AR's ARE, so get the real deal first, get skilled with it, and with the pistol and hand to hand, and THEN, if you have money and time left over, you can get the bs plinker/collector guns.
 
Old 11-13-2016, 01:49 PM   #6
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I would love to watch you carry a 70lb. pack a mile or so.
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Old 11-13-2016, 01:53 PM   #7
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Where did you read this?
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