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Old 11-07-2016, 08:55 AM   #1
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Per gunchild's request...

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name something that I've got wrong, moron.
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...your ignorance shows every time you try to prove me wrong.
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SOMEDAY, (maybe, if you live long enough) you'll catch me in a (very minor) error.

Well, since you keep asking, I have to assume you really want it done. For convenience, I'm going to lump mistakes, errors, and lies all in the same group - basically "stuff that isn't true". Whether the untruth was due to lying or due to ignorance, is frankly irrelevant to this discussion; it's "stuff you've gotten wrong".

So here's what a mere 10 minutes or so of sifting through your platitudes has provided:




On soft body armor:
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…Get real and put some armor into your BOB, cause most people WILL have nothing more than a pistol, pistol caliber carbine, .30 carbine, muzzle loader, pellet rifle, arrows with target points, .22, shotgun, all of which 5 lbs of concealable armor will stop
Soft armor (even heavy IIIA) won’t stop a .30 carbine at short to medium ranges. It won’t even stop a softpoint .30 carbine fired from pistol-length barrels; much less fmj, or either one fired from a rifle.

Soft soft armor also won’t stop a muzzle loader with decent sabot bullets, which is what most muzzle-loader hunters use nowadays.

Soft soft armor won’t stop a 12-gauge with decent sabot slugs.

Soft soft armor won’t even stop a .357 carbine round, much less .44 or the .454 carbine that you call a joke.

Soft soft armor sometimes won’t stop even a .17HMR from a rifle, and IIA soft armor almost never does.

Soft armor - even IIIA - won't stop a whole lot of things, especially in an area like ours where nearly every home has hunting guns with hunting ammo at hand. To publicly say that it will, is to endanger the lives of people who might be silly enough to believe you.

So your pontification that soft armor can be counted on to stop pistol-caliber carbines, .30carbine, muzzleloaders and shotguns, are all wrong.

In that one post alone, you have four errors. Errors serious enough that any one of them could get someone killed if they took your word for it.






General lies & claiming to be someone else —

Deceitfully trying to pretend you were someone else, creating a username for the sole purpose of praising another of your many usernames:

Here we have gunkid (using his then-new screen name of nikto) claiming that he wishes he'd met gunkid earlier in life:
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wish to hell I'd had the net, GK to advise me 1968! I'd have saved myself a ton of wasted time and money...
Then we have another new screen name of gkno, starting conversations with and about nikto (ie, himself). Responding to a nikto post:
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Some common sense, at last.
And on & on:
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I think I have figured out who nikto is. I'm not going to name him, but if I am right it is somebody I knew well 20 yrs ago or so. We used to practice together and shoot ipsc matches back in the 80's. I hate to tell you, but I have seen him do most of the stuff he talks about. He had the fastest concealed draw I have ever seen, and I'm pretty fast myself. I would never take him up on any of his dares. Also, he does know all the gun people he claims to know, including Cooper. I havn't seen him for years but I would bet he has kept in practice.

Here we have gunkid (gkno) talking to gunkid (nikto), lying about being a law-enforcement officer:
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… I was a cop many years ago…

When called on it, you denied it:
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New user name, huh?
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no, that's a guy who's known me since 1980.
Another entire cluster of untruths; first nikto (JMD) claiming he wished he'd known gunkid (JMD) earlier in life, then gkno (JMD) praising the common sense of nikto (JMD). Then gkno (JMD) claiming he used to shoot competitively against nikto (JMD), and gkno (JMD) claiming he was a cop.

Untruth after untruth after untruth. Either lies or hallucinations; no other possibility. I really don't know which - whether you do these things intentionally or just due to the drugs you've repeatedly admitted you need to "get you thru the day".






Another conversation pretending to be two different people:
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:-) He's gonna win SC and NH too and be unstoppable. the scum will have to kill him. I bet he's got GREAT personal security for his family already and he KNOWS not to trust the SS. They got to Perot, but they are not going to stop Don.
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You should have taken that bet.
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want to bet on nomination? I'll take either side with appropriate odds.
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we already have $100 on this. are you ready to double down?



But let's get away from the multiple-personality-disorder lies (or hallucinations), and get to some plain old position-reversals. Things where you claim one position one day, but claim the exact opposite on another day:

On double-tapping with .223:
(From your “Region Five Report” article, talking about .223 softpoints)
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The SP also fails to pierce a windshield, so load every other round in your magazine with the new steel-cored 62-gr. SS-109 ball ammo and fire a “double-tap” (like your supposed to do, anyway…”
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I never saw the point of the double tap with the 223...
From "you're supposed to fire a double-tap", to later saying you "never saw the point of a double-tap". Absolute 180-degree reversal, which means one of them is untrue.



On revolvers vs. semiautos - we have "revolvers suck":
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revolvers are basically a joke for combat...
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…the revolver is a joke for any sort of serious shooting...
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…why bother with non-autos? Doesn't make any sense…

But we also have "revolvers are plenty adequate":
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DA 6 gun in each hand= plenty of firepower for civilian self defence...
Both can't be true.




On magsafe bullets:
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you sure as hell can go wrong with the .38, especially if you don't know to use the Mag Safe 2000 fps, 52 gr load in it. Nothing else amounts to a rat's butt, for stopping probablility…
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…I don't argue for the magsafe BULLET design at ALL...
From "magsafe is the only bullet worth using" to "I don't recommend the magsafe bullet design". One is undeniably untrue.




On double stack pistols:
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…There's no point in a double stack mag, cause you're just missing some more, instead of seeking cover, where you can swap mags.
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…Once you know that you're not interested in any non auto, any rifle not in 223, .22lr, 9mm or 308, any shotgun, any DA trigger system, any double stack mag handgun, you can focus on the relatively few gun makes and models that are w a s.
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The double stack can be nice to have, if you have no concealment worries, and a legal-permit or open wear state sort of guy needn't concern himself about such things...
Both "a double stack can be nice to have" and "a double stack just means you miss more and don't seek cover". One must be untrue.




On night-vision:
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…They'll get ruined by rain, impacts, lack batteries, etc, in short order, tho... ...fragile, battery dependent items… …you can just WAIT for the clouds to disappear, the moon to get "fuller", etc…
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...A real crisis will call for a silenced AR and .22 unit, luminous sights, NVD goggles...
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People who aint even got NVD goggles... claiming they are "flexible".. what a joke.
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I got 2k of IRS refund headed my way. :-) Probably spend it on a fine, used pair of NVD goggles.
So, NVD's "are too fragile and will get damaged in short order" and we should "just wait for the moon to get fuller" and also "if you don't have them you're unprepared and a joke and I'm going to buy some". A 180-degree flip-flop again. One of those must be untrue.




You know, I could go on probably for days, but you get my point. Multiple examples including outright errors, flip-flops, lies, and attempts at claiming to be multiple people; some of whom know each other and some of whom don't.

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Old 11-07-2016, 09:52 AM   #2
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Just so as to not be unclear, gunchild, I'm calling you a liar. Some of your lies are documented above. Some of your errors are also documented above. Some of your intentional deceit is documented above. So yes, you are a liar.

You have repeatedly called me a liar, so here's where I ask you to document my lies. I've been a member on this forum for twelve & a half years, all under the same user name. (You see, when you're not a lying juvenile coward, you don't have to change your username and pretend to be someone else. It's quite nice.)

So you have more than 3,700 posts of mine here, over a span of more than twelve years, all under one username; should be easy for you to show some of my lies.

If there were any, which there aren't. Because I'm not a liar.

You are, though; aren't you...? Can't claim you're not, because your own words above demonstrate that you are. A liar, that is.
 
Old 11-07-2016, 10:06 AM   #3
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john, have you TRIED it, or know of a test of 30c? cause from a pistol, it's 1600 fps, and that aint piercing III
 
 
Old 11-07-2016, 11:35 AM   #4
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john, have you TRIED it, or know of a test of 30c? cause from a pistol, it's 1600 fps, and that aint piercing III
Never said otherwise. Thing is, you specifically said five pound, concealable armor, and that's not Level III, is it? You've specifically and repeatedly said that rifle armor is a waste, yet you now jump in with "it ain't piercing Level III".

If you're going to claim "expert" and "never made a mistake" status, you should at least know the freshman stuff; and the fact that Level III is NOT "five pounds of concealable armor", and IS rifle armor, is absolutely freshman-level stuff. You were wrong.

I was about to post a test video with a youtube link, but since that dinks up the formatting here, I'll put it separately below.



And seriously? With all the errors, lies, and clinton-esque waffling of yours that I listed above, your only comment is on 'concealable vs. Level III'..? Just wow.
 
Old 11-07-2016, 11:35 AM   #5
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Fwiw, absolutely best-case on ".30 carbine vs soft armor"; a softpoint (least penetrating), from a 6.5" barrel (lowest velocity), into IIIA (heaviest soft armor), and it still penetrated:
 
Old 11-07-2016, 11:50 AM   #6
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{edit to add - you were wrong. Less than 1600 fps, and even a softpoint still penetrated IIIA...}

Regarding pistol-caliber carbines, I've more than once posted the chrono results from my camp-9. It runs more than 1600fps with three different factory loads, so I have little doubt about it penetrating less than the .30carbine softpoint in that video did at 1561 fps.

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Old 11-07-2016, 01:02 PM   #7
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Shown to be seven different kind's liar and he dispute's a threat level vest? ( I would LOVE to see what's in that picture, John in AR, but I'm pretty sure I can guess.)
 
Old 11-07-2016, 03:53 PM   #8
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Hell,7.62x25 will do for IIA armor...for that matter, I have gotten through soft armor with the point of a (not expensive)knife...
Armor is useful. That said,most of the <IIIA stuff is NOT rated for anything hotter than stand
 
Old 11-07-2016, 04:25 PM   #9
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And... no further comment from drugchild regarding all of the lies and flip-flops listed above.

How friggin cowardly...
 
Old 11-08-2016, 09:38 AM   #10
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This seems to be a recurring thread. It starts with... "you punks can't prove me wrong." Then there is a hailstorm of facts dropped on ol' Melvin. Then Melvin goes silent. Then Melvin starts another thread about how he is God's gift to all things combat and that us "punks" don't know anything. Keep up the good work, boys. I'm pretty tired of Melvin's knowitall bull****.


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Old 11-09-2016, 04:20 AM   #11
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no, there's not. There's just a bunch of bs claims, marginal. meaningless stuff.
 
Old 11-09-2016, 04:52 AM   #12
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no, there's not. There's just a bunch of bs claims, marginal. meaningless stuff.
Meaningless like pointing out your potentially-lethal errors about all the things you think soft armor will stop?

Meaningless like you claiming to be a new user, praising yourself under different names?

Meaningless like your blatant lie when asked about it?

Marginal like reminding you of your lie about being a cop?

Marginal like saying "you really should do X", and then later saying "I never saw the point of doing X"..?

BS like pointing out your flip-flops on "X gun is a joke" to "X gun is plenty"?

Like the magsafe bullet recommendation lie?

And whatever else there was. I'm not gonna bother re-listing every single lie and error again; they're all right there above.
 
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