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Old 08-29-2016, 04:36 AM   #1
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what's all this shtf ammo to be shot AT?

the game's gonna all be gone in a very few months (at most) the dog packs and cats will kill what people dont (especially livestock). Nobody's going to be practicing any, except maybe with subsonic .22lr thru a silencer, cause the noise will attract your killers. So many people, will die, so fast, of bad water, starvation, infighting, diseases and suicide, that large caches of ammo will be found (and bartered for food, meds, etc). The military arsenals will be breeched and the ammo bartered, especially the 308's to suckers who don't know any better about the weight and bulk, with the 223's bringing much higher prices, after people figure out that you have to be able to RUN with all your stuff.
 
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Old 08-29-2016, 04:57 AM   #2
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It is just stupid what some of those hoarders have stockpiled. 100s of thousands rounds of 22s an enough 223 to wear out 500 rifles!
 
Old 08-29-2016, 05:08 AM   #3
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Maybe they got a BIG forklift to follow them around.
 
 
Old 08-29-2016, 05:38 AM   #4
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Perhaps consider that having ammunition on hand isn't all about post-shtf Mad-Max fighting. Some people probably do stock up with those irrational thoughts in mind, but it would be a mistake to assume that's everyone's thought process. For some of us, it's basic economics, and acknowledgment of market forces & political realities.

A lot of people had problems finding ammunition after the sandy hook shooting; those of us with "too much" on hand didn't. Life was simpler for us.

A lot of people stood in line, sometimes for hours, trying to buy some. Those of us with "too much" on hand didn't. Life was less stressful for us.

A lot of people had to give up recreational shooting during the panic times due to shortage of ammunition; those of us with "too much" on hand, didn't. Life was more fun for us.

A lot of people made things worse during the panic times - actually worsening and lengthening the panic times for everyone - by panic-buying in unusually-high quantities during the shortage. Those of us with "too much" on hand, didn't. We stayed out of the market rather than adding to the panic-buying when others were panicked and scared. (You're welcome, btw. )

A lot of people paid WAY too much for ammunition during panic times, just due to lack of options. Those of us with "too much" on hand didn't. We stock up during good times, and more importantly, during promotional sales at store-openings & such. I'm still shooting remington thunderbolts bought for $3.99 per 500 (no, not per 50; per 500) during a promotion at gander mountain. I bought "way too much", but didn't hardly make a dent in the pallets of cases they had sitting there, so (unlike the panic buyers in bad times) I didn't negatively impact anyone in my doing so. For $8 per thousand, I bought years' worth of .22LR plinking rounds.

Even what used to be normal prices are 'great' prices if we think about it. Federal 525 packs of .22HP with $12.96 walmart stickers on them. Wasn't even sale prices at the time, but sure seems like a heck of a bargain in today's market.

And that's without even going into any political aspects. Potential purchase restrictions, $1 per round sales taxes that have been talked about; all kinds of things there worth thinking about.

Another, admittedly minor, issue is obsolescence or discontinuation of products by the manufacturer. My favorite AR load for deer was from winchester's "PowerPointPlus" line. It was a 64-grain JSP with moly-coating and cannelured bullet, running almost the same velocity as 55-grain M193. When it was discontinued probably ten years ago, I stocked up on what I could find of it simply because it would no longer be available. So I've got around 300 rounds of it left at this point - simply because I like it and there is no future restocking of it. (There are other loads that would substitute for it just fine - I like the 62-grain Fusion and the 69-grain PPU hp stuff. But at the time this load was discontinued, I wasn't familiar with the PPU 69 and the Fusion didn't exist.)

Short version - no, I don't have any delusions of needing thousands of rounds to fight brigands, MZB's, or some other kind of Thunderdome rejects. I just like to shoot, I like to pay low prices for things, and so that means I stock up when things are "cheap & easy".

I confess that I also like seeing the "$3.99" sticker on a 500-round brick of .22 shells. That does indeed make me smile.
 
Old 08-29-2016, 07:07 AM   #5
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...So many people, will die, so fast, of bad water, starvation, infighting, diseases and suicide, that large caches of ammo will be found (and bartered for food, meds, etc). The military arsenals will be breeched and the ammo bartered...
This is where I usually ask, "Other than shtf internet fiction, where has this ever happened in history?"

To which you typically respond, "Doesn't matter that it hasn't before; this time it has to, because of hybrid seeds and lack of horses."
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Old 08-29-2016, 08:02 AM   #6
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Very good post John, back in the early nineties we had problems finding powder & primers and unbelievably factory manufactured cast lead bullets. I said I'd never let it happen again. Since then I've managed to keep a 2 year supply of competition and practice ammo, powder & primers available. Years ago, I also got a deal on Federal 525 rd bulk packs, bought 10-12 of them, still have at least 4 available. Melvin, it is all about thinking ahead!
 
Old 08-29-2016, 08:42 AM   #7
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I hadn't even considered reloading supplies, but agree that it certainly applies to them also.

Fact is, if the market insanity and political hostility were the same way with other stuff, it would also apply to the other stuff as well, at least to me. If there were these huge, recurring panics and shortages (or if there were political hostility and talk of 50%-500% sales taxes and purchase restrictions) on oil filters, socks, or toilet paper, I'd absolutely have "too much" of those things stocked up as well. Just seems prudent, even if only considered from a cost perspective.
 
Old 08-29-2016, 01:05 PM   #8
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Got me curious, so I checked my nerd-spreadsheet. Have nearly 400 lbs of ingoted lead, four 5-gallon buckets of mixed wheelweights to clean thru and ingot up (~460 lbs as it is now, & will probably work out to 325-350 lbs of usable ingoted lead), and still got what many would consider "too much" in the way of primers, powder, and brass; so all is good on that front as well.

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Old 08-29-2016, 05:04 PM   #9
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I have been tossing the idea of casting now for about a year or so. Problem that I would be casting anywhere from 8,000-10,000 bullets a year in 7 or 8 different calibers and I just don't have the time. Easier to just go out and buy 6,000 .38, 2,000 .45, 1,000 9mm, 1,000 .45 Long Colt, etc.
 
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