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Old 06-12-2004, 06:49 PM   #1
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What 22 pistol would you want for SHTF survival.

Let us Limit this situation to 22 caliber firearms only.

1. If you were to get a .22 pistol, for procuring food during SHTF times, what would you get, or what do you have?

2. How would you want it to be set up, such sights, magazines, accessories, belts and holsters, etc?

3. Why did you choose this particular pistol?

4. What types of 22 ammunition, do you prefer?

5. How much 22 ammunition do you have stored away?

6. If you see no practical use for a .22 handgun in your situation, are you relying instead on snares, and trapping, or a 22 rifle for shooting things bigger than rabbits, and upland game?

7. Would you use a 22 rifle to complement a 22 pistol?

Does snaring, and trapping, have any practical use for you in procuring food at all?

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Old 06-12-2004, 07:08 PM   #2
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gill nets and trotlines are far better,

but snares, made with fishline, or electrical or telephone wire, have certain applications, basically at the mouths of dens. Overlapped woven wire fence makes seines, fish traps, turtle traps, box traps. 22 conversion for the scoped and canned CAR-15 covers most of the foraging, but in case of very close chances, a canned, smithed up M21 Beretta is nice. 8" and 14 ozs, total, it's not much in the way of wt or bulk. It can be ccw'd, suddenly drawn and used to deal with some "problem", whenever the rifle is disassembled and concealed in the pack. Because already carrying .22 ammo for the conversion unit for the rifle, there's no wt or bulk penalty for ammo for the M21. It's small and lw enough to let a guy ALSO carry a pocketable 9mm. Say 2 lbs of 9m, spare mags, ammo, holster.
 
Old 06-12-2004, 07:14 PM   #3
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I haven't made plans for shtf so I'd go with the guns I have.
Colt Diamondback, 6 in barrel.
Colt 22 auto
Or the truely concealable North American arms .22 mini revolver.
I haven't shot the Diamondback enough yet to know it's potential.
The auto is a good choice but the factory sights leave a bit to be desired.
The mini would only be used as a last resort at EXTREMELY close range

I'd use American Eagle hollow points, why, because I have several bricks in the safe. They anchor squirrels in thier tracks. They always seem to make in back down the hole with solid points.

The 10/22 would be my choice of 22 rifles. I have complete confidence in it as it has seen several thousand rounds. It's set up with a heavy barrel but the custom trigger, Leupold scope and Butler creek covers make it a good all around rifle.

I've got lots of fishing gear so snaring and snagging would be and option.
 
Old 06-12-2004, 07:18 PM   #4
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standard hp lr's dont expand in flesh,

fired from less than 6" barrels. I've taken scores of squirrels with solids, but then I can SHOOT, and Clint obviously can barely scratch a squirrel. Millions of guys have the same experience. Hit a squirrel solidly in the chest, with a .22 solid, and he rarely makes it anywhere.
 
Old 06-12-2004, 07:35 PM   #5
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That's a crock.....

I know from experience that a hollow point shot from my 10/22 will anchor a squirrel. Solids with the exact same hit will do no such thing, unless it's a head shot. I've burned up thousands of rounds in eastern Or. on ground squirrels, you can't tell me anything about it.
 
Old 06-12-2004, 07:37 PM   #6
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u r simply fos. thousand of us know it,

too. Hey stupid, can you READ? does your 1022 have less than a 6" barrel? :-) What a []ing idiot liar you are.
 
Old 06-12-2004, 07:46 PM   #7
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You.... calling me a lair?

Well, it's too bad you couldn't discuss things in a civilized manner. I guess it's just beyond your tiny minds grasp.
 
Old 06-12-2004, 08:06 PM   #8
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Re: What 22 pistol would you want for SHTF survival.

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Let us Limit this situation to 22 caliber firearms only.

1. If you were to get a .22 pistol, for procuring food during SHTF times, what would you get, or what do you have?

Currently have stainless Ruger Mk2 being converted to 7" integral suppressor (legally), with ruger factory adjustable sights, and a black teflon(?) finish. Basically looks like a 7" bull barrel when done.

Kind of large for a .22 pistol, but acceptably accurate, and being silenced is, imo, a good thing post-shtf.



2. How would you want it to be set up, such sights, magazines, accessories, belts and holsters, etc?

Lots of magazines, QD mount with pistol scope, red-dot, and laser swap-outs; hip, shoulder, and cross-draw holsters. (What I'd "like", not what I "have", right...?)


3. Why did you choose this particular pistol?

Had it for years and like it. Stainless makes it durable. Black finish and suppressor make it low-profile.


4. What types of 22 ammunition, do you prefer?

I've had good luck with both the Winchester "XPert" and Federal bulk paks from Wally World. Currently shoot a lot of the Remington Subsonic 38-grain, but the integral suppressor includes re-contouring and porting the barrel to make standard "hi-velocity" ammo subsonic (for noise reasons). So will have to see what the gun likes when I get it back.

In my rifle (CZ), the subsonic Remingtons are just phenomenally accurate.


5. How much 22 ammunition do you have stored away?

Not telling you.


6. If you see no practical use for a .22 handgun in your situation, are you relying instead on snares, and trapping, or a 22 rifle for shooting things bigger than rabbits, and upland game?

7. Would you use a 22 rifle to complement a 22 pistol?

I have a Ciener kit for my CAR-15 that I like a lot, although it does have some limitations. Also, my CZ .22LR rifle is a great "popping" gun; it will put the rounds literally in the same hole at 25 yards if I do my part. That's all I can ask from a rifle. (I never claimed to be Annie Oakley.)


Does snaring, and trapping, have any practical use for you in procuring food at all?

Absolutely. Traps, snares, nets, etc, can work for you around teh clock, in multiple numbers. MUCH more efficient than hunting, if it's practical to use them in your area.



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Old 06-12-2004, 10:26 PM   #9
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yes, since u CLAIM to have shot 1000's

of squirrels, and NONE of them were stopped by chest hits with solids quote:"solids always seem to let them get into their holes", yes, you are a liar. millions of us have dropped squirrels with 22 soldis, both with pistols and rifles. We KNOW you are lying about that, so why do you BOTHER to try to get away with it? Why insult everbody's intelligence, dummy?
 
Old 06-13-2004, 12:11 AM   #10
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Quote:
Originally posted by Clint Boyer


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I haven't shot the Diamondback enough yet to know it's potential.

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Clint:
You may be pleasantly surprised how well the Colt Diamond Back shoots.

And, your Ruger 10/22 is probably the best twenty-two rifle to depend on, in a survival mode. I have nine of those things, all modified, and shooting great.

There is a forum, http://www.rimfirecentral.com/ which the TARD was banned from, that has a world of good information on the Ruger 10/22. I don't like the over agressiveness of the moderators, (not against me) so I don't go there much anymore.

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Old 06-13-2004, 12:14 AM   #11
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John:
That is a good, well articulated post.

Why don't you want to tell us how much 22 LR ammo you have? If you don't have at least 25,000 rounds, you may run out! Could be the case -- Huh?

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Old 06-13-2004, 12:27 PM   #12
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revolvers are VERY hard to generalize

about, accuracy wise. Most are hard pressed to deliver much better than 1.5" at 25 yds(using all their chambers) and any decent .22 autopistol is much more accurate than that. SOME chambers of a revolver are typically considerably more accurate than others. Using a machine rest, you can find out which ones are which, along with what ammo works best, but at 2-3x the cost of a Browning buckmark, the Diamondback is a real ripoff.
 
Old 06-13-2004, 12:36 PM   #13
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25,000 rds, for WHAT? after I hadn't

TOUCHED a pistol in 7 years, only dryfired one 2 days, fired 50 rds, in 12 years, I had no problem at all printing 3" groups, slowfire weaver offhand, with a good .22 auto, first try. Within 50 rds, and one hour, I was back under 2". With a can on the gun, it's a LOT easier to build and maintain such skill, too. So WHAT are you going to fire 25,000 rds at, man? Nothing much, not even in 20 years of shtf. The game is all going to be GONE in a month or 2, and only an idiot won't be using snares, traps, trotlines, nets, etc, and shooting stuff like dogs, livestock, deer, with .22, to make BOTH the ammo and the EFFORT/RISK go as far as possible.

100 rds a month would be a HUGE amount of shooting, as a foraging thing, with a scoped, canned .22 autorifle, anyway. What are you shooting, ferchrissakes, sparrows? You HAVE to get at LEAST half of your food from PLANTS, or you'll get sick within a FEW months. You only need 2-3 lbs of food a day, say 1 lb of flesh food, and fish are MUCH easier to gather than are birds or animals. So there you are, at most .5 lb of meat a day. Better shoot SOME large animals, ya know. So you are at 2-3 rds of .22 a WEEK, most likely, per person. So big deal, at MOST 500 rds per year, per family., and probably more like 100 rds a year. :-)

So you are out of your mind about "needing" 25,000 rds of .22 (or all calibers combined) if Big Brother shuts down the ammo, you are just DONE practicing, that's all,a nd it's time to start shooting PEOPLE.J So there's basically NOTHING that requires you to have more than a very few thousand .22's, a few hundred rounds (each) of a fighting rifle and a few scores rds of fighting pistol centerfire ammo). The rest is all WANT, either for fun or for training.
 
Old 06-13-2004, 02:05 PM   #14
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In keeping with the spirit of the thread, I would choose the Ruger MK2 or the S&W Mod 18, 4 in barrel. Rifle would be the Ruger 10-22. 22 ammo on hand at this moment is probably 6,000 rds.

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HOW carry BOTH a fighting rifle and pistol

AND a full sized and wt .22 pistol and a .22 rifle, hmm? The .22 unit for the CAR-15 easily replaces the 22 rifle, and the longer range capability of the full size .22, making a compact, lw,canned .22 pocket pistol capable of handling what's left, and leaving room for a pocketable 9mm. 2.5 lbs of .22 "guns", not 8.5 lbs (figuring spare mags,scope on 10-22, holsters, etc. ) It all weighs SOME amount and has SOME amount of bulk, and it adds up FAST(to being more than you can CARRY).
 
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Good reason to have a horse, huh. And a pack horse.

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Old 06-14-2004, 04:47 AM   #17
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Quote:
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John:

...Why don't you want to tell us how much 22 LR ammo you have? If you don't have at least 25,000 rounds, you may run out! Could be the case -- Huh?

Bill



I don't have 25,000 rounds of any one caliber. The main reason is that I currently shoot 14 calibers, so even substantially less than that quantity "do add up", when you multiply it times fourteen. My basic benchmark is to have "enough to last mine and my kids lifetimes" in a post-shtf situation. Obviously, in some calibers the quantity necessary to meet that benchmark is very different than others (.223 vs. 454, etc).


I actually don't know how many .22's I do have on hand; it's two ammo cans full, plus a small amount open. Haven't 'counted' them lately, but it's more than I or my kids would need in our lifetimes in a post-shtf situation.
 
Old 06-14-2004, 07:46 AM   #18
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John:
How much do you think 22 ammunition would be worth, as a trade item. In fact, I would bet that almost any caliber of ammunition would be a good trade item.

During the last depression, my uncle worked a ten hour day, for one box of 22 LR ammo. He remarked that he felt lucky to have obtained the ammunition.

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In keeping with the original topic of this post I'd want a 5.5" Ruger MkII Target.
Ammo: What ever round it shoots the most accurate & reliable with.

Rifle Ruger 10/22 w Butler Creek stock match stainless barrel* and peep sights and custom trigger job.

*Non-match chamber to allow for function with common rounds; may not be an issue with the 10/22 barrels but just to be safe.

Not my current choice but just replying to parameters of topic.
 
Old 06-15-2004, 08:14 PM   #20
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I have two Ruger 22 semiautomatic pistols. One is an old Mark I, that I bought in 1962, and the other is a stainless MarkII, with the 6 and 7/8" slab side barrel.

The older Ruger, has never had a fail to fire, has never failed to feed unless so crapped up with bullet lube and residue that it can't function.

The newer Mark II seems to be following in the same pattern.

I have ten extra magazines for each piece. I am very careful to keep the pistols and their seperate magazines together, so I won't mis the magazines up.

TODD:
I have two, out of my eight Ruger 10/22's set up with the chambers exactly like you have. Each 10/22 feeds almost anything, that I have put through it, just like clockwork.

I realize that I am handicapping myself by not using rifles with 11 and 1/2 barrels, with cans on them. But, WHUT THE HELL, YA GOTTA GO WITH WHUT YA'LL GOT, RAHT? LOL!

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