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Old 09-19-2016, 09:18 AM   #1
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shotgun primer can be taken apart

it's got a rifle primer at its core, which can be used as primer for autopistol reloading. shotshell powder can be so used, too. Bullets can be cast, or even just "rolled' to diameter, between 2 big steel plates, spun in a drill (file held on the copper rod) so if the antigunners leave shotgun ammo available (as they do in Britiain, it will be feasible to assemble some handgun ammo.

as a kid, I clamped a 12 ga shell in a vise, after removing the powder and shot, and used a hammer and nail to detontate it. The primer came out of the shell, rose up the nail and banged me a good one on the pinkie. gained me a respect for what slides and bolts do in guns.
 
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Old 09-19-2016, 09:48 AM   #2
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it's got a rifle primer at its core...
Godallmighty, are you actively trying to get someone killed, or is this just ignorant blathering? No, there is NOT a rifle primer inside a shotshell primer. It looks like there is, but there isn't.

Shotshell (209 & 209A) cutaway:

There is what looks like a rifle primer in it, but the 209 series uses a completely different anvil setup. A setup that will NOT fit a rifle-primer pocket. (It's more like a percussion cap than a Boxer primer.)

Or are you planning to dremel-up a home-made anvil?
 
Old 09-19-2016, 09:56 AM   #3
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Where does this **** come from.
 
 
Old 09-19-2016, 10:45 AM   #4
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...so if the antigunners leave shotgun ammo available (as they do in Britiain, it will be feasible to assemble some handgun ammo..
Or...

Wacky idea here; instead of hoping to scavenge (non-existent) rifle primers from unnecessarily-expensive shotgun shells in some mad max fantasy future, a person could simply spend $35 now and have a thousand of actual, real-life, primers on hand and not worry about it.

What's odd perhaps is that even though I don't reload shotshells, I still have a couple thousand shotshell primers on hand. I use them in special modified .45Colt cases with wax bullets out of my revolvers. Fun, recreational shooting in the warehouse at times.

You know, kind of like airsoft, but for grownups.


Anyway, too much time on armslocker this morning. Have to get back to work, so my tax dollars can buy hypnotics and sedatives for drug-addled dolts.
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Old 09-19-2016, 01:42 PM   #5
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Almost lost a finger with that brainstorm. Or should I say nightmare.
Leave the guns an ammo to professionals before you do any more damage.
 
Old 09-22-2016, 11:05 AM   #6
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**** you. I was 16 and didn't know much.
 
Old 09-22-2016, 11:51 AM   #7
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Understand & agree. We were all young & did stupid stuff. But you're 60+ now, and it would be a really bad thing if someone actually tried to do what you recommended in the opening post, wouldn't it?

They'd either hurt themselves, or (best case), they'd retrieve what WAS there, think it was a rifle primer and treat it as such, and have a non-firing cartridge in their gun.


One thing I didn't bring up above, was the "why" of it. Even if it was a large rifle primer in there (it certainly wouldn't be small rifle), and even if you could retrieve it safely, what would be the advantage of doing so in most cases? To get one primer, you waste the powder & shot of the shotgun shell, unless you want to use shotgun powder for some "large rifle" cartridge, which is usually not practical. The shotgun powder will often work for handgun use, but that's about it. You could melt & recast the shot into pistol bullets (still only one primer, though), but the primer (even if it were a legitimate large-rifle primer) isn't dimensionally right for pistol use; even large pistol. Just not sure when it would be a good idea, even if it were an actual possibility.
 
Old 09-24-2016, 08:32 AM   #8
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dimension differential can be offset with drilling out this, or JB welding that. I never said that one could reload rifle ammo with the shotgun components. that's the problem with you guys. you "read" what aint THERE. and build your strawman bs on what never existed.
 
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i'ts not that hard, with a silenced .22lr rifle, or a pistol ,to TAKE a rifle from a cop or soldier, and you only need one such pistol and rifle, (silenced) to acquire many more guns and 1000's of rds of ammo. Sort of better than just having a few shotshells, eh?
 
Old 09-24-2016, 09:02 AM   #10
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dimension differential can be offset with drilling out this, or JB welding that. I never said that one could reload rifle ammo with the shotgun components. that's the problem with you guys. you "read" what aint THERE. and build your strawman bs on what never existed.
Tell me what I “read into” your post that wasn’t there? Your words:
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shotgun primer can be taken apart
it's got a rifle primer at its core,
No, it doesn’t.

NO… IT… DOESN’T.

You were wrong.


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which can be used as primer for autopistol reloading.
Two reasons that’s wrong -
1 – A large rifle primer is longer (taller) than a large pistol primer, and will not fit completely into the pocket of a pistol case. So you’d have to file on a live primer to make it fit in a way that won’t cause slamfires.

2 – Most important – even if you did disassemble the shotgun shell and manage to remove the primer and file it down manually without it going off, it still doesn't have an anvil. And a primer without an anvil isn’t a primer. It’s “kind of” (but not really) a percussion cap, and won’t go off even if you did file it as above so that it would fit.

So no. It can’t be used as a primer for autopistol reloading. Either one of those two reasons is reason enough, and together they're more than enough. Your statement was dangerously wrong and will almost certainly get someone hurt if they try it.

You were wrong.


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…Bullets can be cast, or even just "rolled' to diameter, between 2 big steel plates, spun in a drill (file held on the copper rod)...
This from the guy who has repeatedly insulted people for casting pistol bullets; seriously?


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i'ts not that hard, with a silenced .22lr rifle, or a pistol ,to TAKE a rifle from a cop or soldier, and you only need one such pistol and rifle, (silenced) to acquire many more guns and 1000's of rds of ammo. Sort of better than just having a few shotshells, eh?
Since a dissected shotgun primer, even if you did manage to disassemble it without injuring yourself, will simply NOT work in a pistol (as outlined above), how does this topic have anything to do with shooting cops with .22’s or pistols?

My god, you’re one sick fool. Quit fantasizing murdering people that you have repeatedly, meekly surrendered to. Build a life in the real world; it’s actually pretty awesome out here…



And fwiw, unlike some, I’m open to learning something new. So if there is anything in my words here that is incorrect, point it out. If you can’t, then you can’t. Until then, maybe just admit you made a simple mistake. We all do. Grownups just are willing to admit it.
 
Old 09-24-2016, 10:13 AM   #11
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Do you really want to be hunted down like a mad dog? Better get the crazy ideas out of your mind of shooting police an soldiers. Remember they have real guns. And they do not play games.
 
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