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Old 04-27-2016, 01:01 PM   #1
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The Shotgun is THE Harvester

Yes, it recoils. Yes, it's loud. No, it doesn't take a .22 unit. What it does is get game. If I want something for the pot, I'll take a 12 gauge shotgun with No. 6 or 7 1/2 shot and I'll eat. You can bag far more game, Pheasants, Grouse, Ducks, Geese, Woodcock, Squirrels, Rabbits and Turkey's with a Shotgun than you can with anything else. I'm talking game on the table here. As far as "scaring all the game away" That's nonsense. You can bag a Squirrel, sit still for five minutes and the trees will be full of them again. Shoot a Pheasant and your Dog will flush another in minutes. Every real hunter knows this. If the sky does fall someday, go ahead and slink around with your .22 pistol (with a can) and see how well fed you are. While the Sun is still rising in the East, I'll take a shotgun as a Hunting arm every time. A Dog helps a lot too. Just avoid testing handgun loads on it.
 
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Old 04-27-2016, 01:28 PM   #2
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Stoeger actually had a pretty nice 12 gauge O/U set up as a " camp/survival gun". Would not turn one down.
And then, there's the old Savage 12/20 gauge O/U set up over a rimfire/centerfire barrel. Always struck me as a more sensible take on the old " Survival Gun".
 
Old 04-27-2016, 01:35 PM   #3
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crock of crap

other than (maybe) some parts of alaska, the thing to have with you is a ccw pistol (same as in town) and a rental satellite phone. We have ample proof that you're not going to starve in a MONTH, dude. What good is a longarm when youre issue is you're hurt, sick, cut off by a flood or fire or avalanche? The mcChandless fool had a rifle. he starved. If he'd had a satellite phone, he'd have been rescued in a couple of days. all it would have taken, to save him really, would have been to tell him where he could cross that river (a day or two's hike from his base camp in the bus). you live in a fantasy world, where choppers and satellite phones don't exist. and where 1-2 squirrels or birds a day is enough to feed you. :-) cause that's all you'll average.

Most places, especially Canada, there are MANY long, frozen-assed months when all you'll see is the occasional hare or some chickadees. You'll get your ass eaten off by skeeters the rest of the year, too. We ALL know this to be the case, so why pretend that it's different?

the shotgun is most unlikely to feed you, man. it's FAR inferior on small game than a silenced .22lr autorifle., for a fact. Cause when you kill one, the others are not scared away. I"ve taken 5 squirrels out of the same tree, with a silenced .22, in about an hour. Now MAYBE you could get 2 with the shotgun, one of them on the run, maybe even 3, but not 5, not in an hour. After 2-3 blasts, NOTHING is going to move in that area, for a LONG time.

the only way a longarm is going to mean jack squat is if it's shtf, and then the shotgun will be a joke. somebody will plink you from 150 yds with a silenced .22, from cover and just wait for you to bleed out. You'll have no idea where they are, and you'll be just loving your worthless 12 ga while your blood pressure drops and the lights go out for you.

the shotgun is a retarded choice, cause it's wasted on small game. incapable of the distance shots often required for big game. sure, it's a little bit better than a slingshot, but ONLY if there's no armed people around (and there will be).

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Old 04-27-2016, 01:53 PM   #4
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Oh,I would not use one IN PLACE OF a good sidearm.And I don't. But, as a low key foraging arm- for those of us non-archers- it has its utility.
Bear in mind: I'm not into shotguns myself; but they do have their uses. Tools,toolboxes; etc.
 
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This wasn't a survival post. It was about Hunting Game with a shotgun. What has a CCW to do with Hunting? The last time I was Hunting I didn't notice anyone stalking me.
 
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other than (maybe) some parts of alaska, the thing to have with you is a ccw pistol (same as in town) and a rental satellite phone. We have ample proof that you're not going to starve in a MONTH, dude. What good is a longarm when youre issue is you're hurt, sick, cut off by a flood or fire or avalanche? The mcChandless fool had a rifle. he starved. If he'd had a satellite phone, he'd have been rescued in a couple of days. all it would have taken, to save him really, would have been to tell him where he could cross that river (a day or two's hike from his base camp in the bus). you live in a fantasy world, where choppers and satellite phones don't exist. and where 1-2 squirrels or birds a day is enough to feed you. :-) cause that's all you'll average.

Most places, especially Canada, there are MANY long, frozen-assed months when all you'll see is the occasional hare or some chickadees. You'll get your ass eaten off by skeeters the rest of the year, too. We ALL know this to be the case, so why pretend that it's different?

the shotgun is most unlikely to feed you, man. it's FAR inferior on small game than a silenced .22lr autorifle., for a fact. Cause when you kill one, the others are not scared away. I"ve taken 5 squirrels out of the same tree, with a silenced .22, in about an hour. Now MAYBE you could get 2 with the shotgun, one of them on the run, maybe even 3, but not 5, not in an hour. After 2-3 blasts, NOTHING is going to move in that area, for a LONG time.

the only way a longarm is going to mean jack squat is if it's shtf, and then the shotgun will be a joke. somebody will plink you from 150 yds with a silenced .22, from cover and just wait for you to bleed out. You'll have no idea where you are, and you'll just be loving your worthless 12 ga while your blood pressure drops and the lights go out for you.

the shotgun is a retarded choice, cause it's wasted on small game. incapable of the distance shots often required for big game. sure, it's a little bit better than a slingshot, but ONLY if there's no armed people around (and there will be).
To quote you, Can't you read? It's not a Survival post. It's a Hunting post. You know, Legal Hunting. Ever done it?
 
Old 04-27-2016, 02:49 PM   #7
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the shotgun, especially the single shot bs, is for people who can't shoot a handgun waf, basically. a decent, lw .22 auto or revolver will do anything the farmer/rancher needs done. I lived that life for many years, know plenty of people who still do. Basically, if a .22lr can't do it (with some skill and savvy) it's on of those things that dont need doing. Rather it's one of those "wanna" things. those combo rifles are $450, that's not a joke.
 
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Farmer or Rancher? This has to do with Hunting how?
 
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you still the got the MAIN problems of all that frigging noise, and the hassle of having the thing to hand. If you can even half assed shoot a .22 handgun, you'll take more game and pests with it, just by always wearing it around the farm, than you will with the 22/20 ga, just cause you won't have it when you see the critter, and the critter won't wait while you go get it, either. It's no great feat to hit a starling at 25 yds with a decent .22 pistol, or a rabbit at 40 yds. People dont eat prairie dogs or chucks, so why CARE if it goes down the hole with a .22 in it, hmm? just so the pos DIES there, keeping its plague flees down there with it. scuff the holes shut with your feet and go on about your day. if a critter is a real problem, it's time for the traps/poison anyway. Nearly always, such things are just entertainment, something to break the boredom of farm chores. I really paid attention to my surroundings when I had a gun. Without a gun, why bother to notice? You can[t do anything about what you notice.

EVERY chuck can eat an acre of soybeans, nearly, when they are young/small. $9 a bushel and 50 bushels to the acre. If you can shoot a female and that also kills off 2 kits she's got and god knows how many MORE they might breed, helluva good deal. But wasting a half hour going back to the house, or 15 minutes to the truck for a longarm and then a stalk, instead of shooting it right NOW with a handgun, hey, the pistol wins, most of the time. And realisticlly, a decent sized .22lr autopistol is no joke for defense, either, given skills as a shottist and as a tactician, which are needed, regardless of caliber.

for instance, you are WAY safer to have garand shooting at your chest with a 357,, at 10 ft, then you are to have GK shooting at your head with a Woodsman. :-) CAuse I'll hit you first. and I wont panic and puke over the results, either.

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Old 04-27-2016, 03:12 PM   #10
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you still the got the MAIN problems of all that frigging noise, and the hassle of having the thing to hand. If you can even half assed shoot a .22 handgun, you'll take more game and pests with it, just by always wearing it around the farm, than you will with the 22/20 ga, just cause you won't have it when you see the critter, and the critter won't wait while you go get it, either. It's no great feat to hit a starling at 25 yds with a decent .22 pistol, or a rabbit at 40 yds. People dont eat prairie dogs or chucks, so why CARE if it goes down the hole with a .22 in it, hmm? just so the pos DIES there, keeping its plague flees down there with it. scuff the holes shut with your feet and go on about your day. if a critter is a real problem, it's time for the traps/poison anyway. Nearly always, such things are just entertainment, something to break the boredom of farm chores. I really paid attention to my surroundings when I had a gun. Without a gun, why bother to notice? You can[t do anything about what you notice.

EVERY chuck can eat an acre of soybeans, nearly, when they are young/small. $9 a bushel and 50 bushels to the acre. If you can shoot a female and that also kills off 2 kits she's got and god knows how many MORE they might breed, helluva good deal. But wasting a half hour going back to the house, or 15 minutes to the truck for a longarm and then a stalk, instead of shooting it right NOW with a handgun, hey, the pistol wins, most of the time. And realisticlly, a decent sized .22lr autopistol is no joke for defense, either, given skills as a shottist and as a tactician, which are needed, regardless of caliber.

for instance, you are WAY safer to have garand shooting at your chest with a 357,, at 10 ft, then you are to have GK shooting at your head with a Woodsman. :-)
Again, what are you talking about? Legal Hunting, with a SHOTGUN. That's the post. Not prarie dog's or how Garand can outshoot your airsoft autorifle. Man, do you ever need a VA referral!
 
Old 04-27-2016, 05:31 PM   #11
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Come on up this weekend gun kid, we're having a match. Come show everyone what an embarrassment you actually are! As for the shotgun, well the majority of the settlers in the west from the 1860's to the 1890's had to rely on a shotgun to survive. It is a tool like any other firearm. Only in your fantasy does it have no uses, but if used within its limitations it can be used to feed people and as a last ditch defence firearm.

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