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Old 11-05-2016, 09:18 AM   #1
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with a bracket, you can mount

1 pair of 5 gallon buckets in the saddle bag position of a bicycle, tie another bucket horizontally to the frame put one in front of and one behind a buddy rest, one more on the handle bars and another in a basket above the front wheel. With a person walking on each side of the bike, 30 lbs of food in each bucket, that's 210 lbs of food. If that food is Crisco, Tang, peanut butter, and instant oatmeal, it will keep 2 people alive for 3 months, altho such will include using up their body fat. So only one trip needs to be made from the storage rental to the buried drum in the woods closest to the storage.

A pair of other drums can be buried,one wherever you plan to pop the cattle at night and jerk the meat, and one wherever you plan to steal the grain. So in one week of work at night, and $500 for food and drums, you can have food for two people for 6-7 months. If you can last that long, shtf, you can probably get away with using trotlines, gill nets, and concealed plots of sprouts to last another 6 months. By then, nearly everyone will be dead and concealed, scattered plots of root veggies will be an acceptable risk. Rutabagas, taters, sweet taters, peanuts, carrots, radishes, parsnips, jeruselum artichokes, parsley, beets, celery. If there's any animals or fish left at all, should be ok. Even if not, should be able to gather enough nuts, acorns, corn etc, to get adequate protein and fat.

having several months worth of "no-cook" food is important, cause smoke or scent of smoke will be very dangerous. Also, having such food where you can access it in normal times helps you use up and replace it. The Crisco is also good for having a candle or as fuel for discrete cooking. As long as the can is still sealed, it will last forever. It's cheap enough and dense enough to just bury a drum of it, too. If you're only going to have ONE drum buried that's got food in it, you can afford to properly protect it from bears digging it up. Which means a 6" thick, 6 ft circle of sacrete, mixed on the spot, forming a "cap over the drum of crisco. A 35 gal drum of crisco, inside of an empty 55 gal drum, with ratwire and plastic drum liners around each, and gravel around and under the drum, will protect the crisco for a decade or more.

fat is the hardest type of food to acquire (and KEEP) in the woods. Protein is next, but you can use jerky, dried fish, acorns, maybe bird, fish,or turtle eggs, snakes, turtles, birds, frogs to get that. Carbs can be roots, tree cambium, greens. So if you're going to cache something below ground, cans of Crisco are the way to go.

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Old 11-05-2016, 09:31 AM   #2
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baited snares for dogs/deer, baited box and steel traps for cats, trotlines, gill nets MIGHT suffice to gather enough protein for the second 3 months, serviced at night, if you dont manage to get the cattle. Might also be able to gather enough cambrium, camus, etc, to do without half of the grain. Should be able, tho, first 2 nights of shtf, to get at least a couple of hindquarters of beef and a couple 100 lb sacks of grain.
 
Old 11-05-2016, 09:36 AM   #3
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build an A frame pack frame out of 1" OD, thick walled PVC pipe, and bury it. If you put the nylon webbing and the paracord lashes inside of a garbage bag, folded back on itself a couple of times, and tied each time, it will survive being buried for years. You want the bottom of the legs to be just 8" above ground, when you are standing up, loaded down with 200+ lbs. Then, to get buckled into the frame, or to rest a bit, all you have to do is squat about 1/3rd of the way down. When you straighten up again, the load comes up with you. I saw a 110 lb korean TROTTING with a 55 gal drum of diesel fuel, over 300 lbs. with such a rig.. His was made of wood and leather, tho, with a tumpline up to his forehead.
 
 
Old 11-05-2016, 11:40 AM   #4
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Same babble as always. Get a life.
 
Old 11-05-2016, 12:36 PM   #5
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**** you. All you ever do is jeer from the sidelines. 7 words after I post entire pages of interesting stuff. and you're supposed to amount to something? only to other lazy twits.
 
Old 11-05-2016, 02:46 PM   #6
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Interesting stuff, all that you have done is repeated the same stuff for years.
 
Old 11-05-2016, 05:03 PM   #7
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I thought with your back problems, 55 gallon drums are out of your league and certainly larger than "wifey" can manipulate. 5 gallon buckets are far more adaptable to changing locations quickly if required though. Please provide pictures of your bike.
 
Old 11-05-2016, 05:43 PM   #8
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Shooting cattle, stealing grain, you must really have a death wish.
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Old 11-05-2016, 05:44 PM   #9
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Must have read the Crisco thing on some internet site.
 
Old 11-05-2016, 11:38 PM   #10
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Happy Storage life of Crisco..?

[QUOTE . . . A 35 gal drum of Crisco, inside of an empty 55 gal drum, with ratwire and plastic drum liners around each, and gravel around and under the drum, will protect the Crisco for a decade or more . . . [/QUOTE]

I have been unable to find any authoritative source that would suggest that Crisco would be suitable for "decade or more" storage.. The attached Crisco chart suggests that Crisco would become rancid much earlier..

with a  bracket, you can mount-capture-crisco.jpg

If one lives in a spider hole for an extended period of time, I suppose that the pungent odor of rancid Crisco would not prevent one from using it as a lube..
 
Old 11-06-2016, 05:57 AM   #11
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Survival Bicycle..

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1 pair of 5 gallon buckets in the saddle bag position of a bicycle, tie another bucket horizontally to the frame put one in front of and one behind a buddy rest, one more on the handle bars and another in a basket above the front wheel. With a person walking on each side of the bike, 30 lbs of food in each bucket, that's 210 lbs of food . . .
Photo illustrating the survival bicycle strategy..

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Old 11-06-2016, 06:21 AM   #12
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Bucket person for sure. But where is the wheelbarrow? Where is the raft for floating down the river? Where is Wifey with the 55gal. drum of Crisco, Tang an peanut butter?
Do they still make Tang?
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Old 11-06-2016, 06:52 AM   #13
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I can only imagine how difficult it would be to get into a defensive posture quickly, when transporting that amount of gear on a bike. Does Melvin actually believe that he is only going to be the only bad person out there?
 
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...Crisco would become rancid much earlier (than "a decade or more")...
This. Eating rancid oils depletes certain vitamins (E iirc, maybe others that are oil-based) can cause pneumonia-type symptoms, and is also a strong carcinogen. Combined with being just nasty, rough on the stomach and digestion, and even puke-inducing, not a good idea any time; much less in stressful, dangerous times.

If a person wanted to go that route, they could always just dig up the old and re-bury new every year, but not something I'm personally going to do.

Certain things can be done to extend shelf life, but with oil-based things there just comes a point that can't be exceeded without freezing it.

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Old 11-06-2016, 07:54 AM   #15
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Can see it now, Melvin laying in the spider hole covered with rancid Crisco an mylar.
Maybe the Crisco will help him slither thru the woods? Bear bait!
 
Old 11-06-2016, 09:32 AM   #16
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Melvin, time you actually did some real research;

http://www.standeyo.com/News_Files/menu.food.store.html
http://www.backwoodshome.com/7-mista...-food-storage/
http://www.thefoodguys.com/foodcalc.html

Otherwise, with your fantasy, if maintained your survival would be severely limited to only days if you were lucky.
 
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maybe YOU would be stupid enough to bring food into your dugout, but I"m not. The lack of oxygen inside of the doubled drum set up significantly preserves all food inside it a lot longer than is the normal case.
 
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maybe YOU would be stupid enough to bring food into your dugout, but I"m not. The lack of oxygen inside of the doubled drum set up significantly preserves all food inside it a lot longer than is the normal case.
So now you have to obtain your food and water every night when you leave your dugout.( What happened to Spider Hole?) Do you think you'll be the only person moving around at night? Going out nightly for food and water you'll soon develop an observed pattern of movement. With or without weapons you'll be trapped in your dugout at some point. I can't think of a more helpless position for three people, one of them a Child.
 
Old 11-06-2016, 12:30 PM   #19
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...The lack of oxygen inside of the doubled drum set up significantly preserves all food inside it a lot longer than is the normal case.
Putting it in an oxygen-free environment is absolutely the most important first step in fending off rancidity; but the 1-2 year unopened shelf life is already factoring in the sealed, oxygen-free environment it comes in from the crisco plant.
 
Old 11-06-2016, 05:31 PM   #20
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Melvin, have you ever wandered around in the dark, you know some place with triple canopy foliage, for more that 10 minutes? If so I'll bet you found a nice policeman and surrendered to him, just to get indoors.
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