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Old 07-24-2016, 12:50 PM   #21
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So Melvin, please explain to all of us exactly what you think fun should consist of?
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Old 07-24-2016, 01:16 PM   #22
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.Some times you take your opportunities where and when you can.
Same with taking your enjoyment the same way. I enjoy my (replica) 1873 revolver even though it's archaic; I just simply enjoy it sometimes.

From an objective viewpoint, it's worth remembering that while it's now several generations behind current "best" defensive guns, the fact is that at one time, it was about the best defensive handgun to be had; until the advent of the DA cartridge revolver. The DA revolver was then eclipsed by the 1905 auto, which was surpassed by the 1911, which was surpassed (in a very real way, imo) by the 1911-A1, which in large part gave way to the P-35, and on & on.

Personally, I believe the AR carbine may be the best defensive carbine in the world, unless some of the platforms I'm not personally proficient with (Tavor, P90, AUG, whatever) are better; can't say for sure. What I am sure of, is that in my great-grandchildren's time, the AR won't be leading the pack anymore. Progress and improvement has not only been the case for millennia, but for the past three or four centuries has been accelerating. So to assume that nothing better will ever come along is to be as irrational as the thugs in The Fountainhead, decreeing that "all good designs have surely been made by now"; it's just a silly premise that flies in the face of historical reality.

Someday when my sons' grandkids ask them why they like shooting those "ancient" AR and AK carbines, I imagine my sons will smile and tell them how much fun they had 'way back when'; shooting them with their long-gone dad, strictly for enjoyment.
 
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and just why would anyone handicap themselves in the (very likely) rapidfire fight of a shtf event, by carrying a bolt action. How can you shoot a gun that you aint got with you? So why bother to own such? The money spent on a clunker bolt actions is far, far better spent on luminous sights, a silencer, 22 conversion unit or practice ammo for the AR, believe it. The point is not to GET dialed-in upon, eh? When you aint out and about in daylight and don't make noise, you're many times more likely to be the one who is doing the 'dialing in".

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Old 07-24-2016, 03:50 PM   #24
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and just why would anyone handicap themselves ".
Did you bother to READ the responses? The bolt, lever, pump, or whatever are used for recreation, target challenges, Hunting, or just plain fun. Does the logic of having fun escape you? Don't you enjoy playing with your airsoft? If it's all going to be about combat, I saw a CO2 powered Makarov BB gun that you might be interested in. $69.95 Fleet Farm.
 
Old 07-24-2016, 04:16 PM   #25
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Many years ago, I had a friend (may he rest in piece) who retired at age 60. For the next 13 years of his retirement he went to the range everyday that he could, weather permitting and fired 50 rds of of his .45LC, 2nd generation Colt SAA at various steel reactive targets. On average of 10,000 rds per year. While he could not have stopped the zombie hoards that Melvin fantasizes about, I had little doubt of his ability to provide severe attitude change to 1 or 2, maybe even 3 adversaries depending upon the circumstances.

Again Melvin, if it is not about your fantasy of combat, what do you actually do to have fun? Cause your really starting to come off as a pretty dull guy!
 
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...I saw a CO2 powered Makarov BB gun that you might be interested in. $69.95 Fleet Farm.
Not if it's a Makarov...
 
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I like Makarov pistols,but I confess to never having had an interest in most CO2 or air rifles/pistols.
 
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I've got no problem with maks myself; but it's one of those things that sets JMD off, like mentioning high-capacity pistols or factory JHP's.
 
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Old 07-24-2016, 07:39 PM   #30
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Just poking...

Makarov comments by andy/justme/nikto, et al:
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4" browning Buckmark .22 is a lot bettern' Mak...

It doesn't MATTER that the mak is a LITTLE more powerful than a .22, it AINT powerful ENOUGH to amount to a crap...

Mak's just a bluff, same as .22...

they are joke...

the Mak does NOT hit "hard enough". It might as well be a .22lr...
 
Old 07-25-2016, 12:41 PM   #31
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The basic 9X18MM round has more punch than a basic .380, yet .380's are carried by a large number of CCW holders, often as a primary. The Makarov, loaded with appropriate expanding bullets, is certainly a viable CCW weapon.
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Old 07-25-2016, 12:59 PM   #32
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I know the Silver Bear 115-grain jhp ran over 1,000 fps from my little P64. Never clocked it from my son's bulgy mak, but bound to be somewhat faster from the slightly-longer barrel.
 
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not necessarily, It depends upon the barrel. In Speer #8-9 (I forget) they tested two consecutive numbered smith 2.5" M19 and from the same box of ammo, got 200+ fps of difference in average velocities (or from lowest chamber to highest, I forget, it's been 30 years) Dean Grennell said he saw a similar diff in a pair of K38's, with his pet load. Maks only exist cause people are too cheap to buy a real gun. Same with AK's, really, most certainly with Mosins.
 
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I bought three Makarov's because I like them, not because I couldn't afford a "real Gun". I actually like the CZ 82 better, it's also in that nasty 9X18MM. I like AK's, too. 100 Million terrorist can't be wrong.
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