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Old 06-20-2016, 02:02 PM   #1
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Carbine class

Pic from the Combat Focus Carbine class. It'll make a body feel old when you find that you're not only the oldest one there, but that fully half the guys in the class weren't even born until after you got out of army. Growing old is not for wimps...

Guy on the far right is Allesandro Padovani, a fairly well-known gun & knife instructor, and the short guy next to him (one of my best friends) is the guy you want on hand if you need your truck lifted up off of you; dude's stronger than I am. (I occasionally razz him about having to always "shoot uphill"... ) It was a long, hot day. IIRC it was 86 that day, and we were down in a depression with no wind and full sun.

I'm the oaf with the bifocals instead of the ubertactical sunglasses everyone else is wearing; but I did have the only tactical white beard that day...



This may be the last of this kind of class I take; not sure yet. At this stage, I'm putting more & more of my energy into recreation and enjoyment than into serious 'training'. A day like that makes me appreciate a normal two- or three-hour woods hike or an afternoon shooting plates on a timer. Those things are actually fun; this class was nearly like work.
 
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Old 06-20-2016, 07:07 PM   #2
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You accidentally started a new thread when you were clearly meaning to comment in this one.

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what diff does the carbine skill make? have you got that same level of hitting speed at night?
First, to answer your question, no; I don't shoot as well in the dark as I do in the light. But the better a shooter is in any level of light, the more he inevitably leans the odds in his favor. I think skill is a good thing, and you also repeatedly talk about skill-building. Case in point, one of your praises of the CAR-15:
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shorty flattop AR, optic, react, raise, .80 sec to reliably hit a 12" x 24" torso at 25m, from low ready. That leaves you .40 second to traverse over and hit the other torso (5m to the side of the first) and still have 1.2 second total time for the two hits. You can't do it in less than 2 seconds with your peep sight, or in less than 3 seconds with unaltered AK. :-)
So you preach and praise the concept of skill, until someone else starts demonstrating it, rather than just talking about it; then for some reason you start asking "what difference does skill make?".

I've posted video of me getting 0.60 first hit from 36% further away than your 25 yards, on a target 20% smaller than your 12x24. For that matter, getting two hits on that smaller, further-away target in less than 0.9 seconds, still at more than a hundred feet.

And now, after preaching the quickness and efficiency of the AR carbine (which I agree with, by the way), you suddenly start asking "what difference does carbine skill make?"

Can't have it both ways. Is skill-building a good thing, or is it irrelevant?
 
Old 06-20-2016, 07:35 PM   #3
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sure, it's a good thing. Never said it wasn't. but mostly if have to take on jbt's, as a personal thing. For shtf, having a silencer, luminous sights, 22 unit, subsonic ammo and NVD goggles, soft armor solarcharger, stored info and stored food are going to mean a lot more than just being half-assed good with a rifle.
 
 
Old 06-20-2016, 07:37 PM   #4
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you can have all the skill in the world, and if you mess around in the open, in daylight, with lots of rifle-armed enemies around (which WILL be the case if shtf) the odds are very high that you'll get shot, and it's just stupid to take such risks, cause you dont have to do so, for a year or more. Just simple preps can prevent your having to do so, so why not make those preps? 99% of the public won't even make or buy a silencer, that's how lame they are.
 
Old 06-21-2016, 02:42 PM   #5
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you can have all the skill in the world, and if you mess around in the open, in daylight, with lots of rifle-armed enemies around (which WILL be the case if shtf) the odds are very high that you'll get shot, and it's just stupid to take such risks, cause you dont have to do so, for a year or more. Just simple preps can prevent your having to do so, so why not make those preps? 99% of the public won't even make or buy a silencer, that's how lame they are.
What are these simple preps your making? I mean besides posting it. So why not show your gear? So why not show your waterless Spider Hole? Why bother to post if you don't really have the simple preps?
 
Old 06-21-2016, 04:10 PM   #6
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I took a 2 day Tactical Pistol course last year, while I didn't even try to keep up with the young pups, I learned a bit and had fun. My local club is holding a 2 day Carbine course this weekend but I am unable to attend. The timing of last years course made my wife miss a match she really wanted to attend, as the same match is this weekend, she won't let me miss this one.
 
Old 06-21-2016, 04:43 PM   #7
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Garand, what's the match your Wife likes?
 
Old 06-21-2016, 05:05 PM   #8
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Its a Cowboy Action Match being held just south of Calgary Alberta, my wife and the lady match director are very close friends. She let me miss last years match, so I shall count my blessings!
 
Old 06-21-2016, 05:41 PM   #9
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Is that a long drive for you? What does your Wife shoot? Oh, and what was the final extent of damage from that fire?
 
Old 06-21-2016, 08:02 PM   #10
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Its only a 3 1/2 hour drive from home. My wife shoots 2x .357 SASS Ruger Vaqueros, a Marlin M1894C in .357 & an IGA (Brazil) 12 ga SxS.

Well the fire was halted after it burnt down about 15% of the city of Fort McMurray, as I understand it about 50,000 of the 88,000 evacuated have been allowed back home at this time. This was SHTF



 
Old 06-22-2016, 10:16 AM   #11
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The Vaqero's handle recoil very well. I have a new model in .45 Colt. Even with fairly hot loads the revolver just kind of rolls back in your hand without much punishment. What barrel length does your Wife prefer?
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Old 06-22-2016, 11:42 AM   #12
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All my Vaqueros have 4.62" barrels. In the above picture you see my wife's SASS Vaqueros, they are "NEW" Vaqueros. They are considerably lighter than the other 6, which are "original" Vaqueros. Shown are 2x .44 mag and 4x .357 Mag

I prefer the "original" Vaqueros as I like steel handguns and prefer the additional weight. One of my .44's fired 20,000 rds before the transfer bar broke. A very durable handgun.
 
Old 06-22-2016, 11:57 AM   #13
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At this weekends match;





I am looking forward to seeing pictures of Melvin's wife shooting.
 
Old 06-22-2016, 12:18 PM   #14
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I feel so inadequate... I only have one SA centerfire revolver; a 4.75" Uberti El Patron in 45 colt.

It's a lot of fun, especially with wax bullets indoors using 209 primers.
 
Old 06-22-2016, 12:29 PM   #15
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When I look at all the firearms that I have purchased to shoot in Cowboy Action and all the side matches, my wallet cringes. Luckily I was single when most of the purchases were made.
 
Old 06-22-2016, 01:21 PM   #16
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Now THAT'S a nice collection. I don't have much for Single Action's. The Ruger New Vaquero I mentioned, a Ruger Single-Six (old three screw), and a Colt SA Army in .45. I'm looking for a Remington Army repro in .357.
 
Old 06-23-2016, 08:04 AM   #17
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Well you are half way there to be able to shoot Cowboy Action, just need a pistol caliber carbine and either an old Winchester 97 or a 12 ga SxS shotgun.
 
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