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Old 05-17-2016, 01:49 PM   #1
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u don't get fast by shooting slow

you eventually have to "press" for speed. yes, you'll do some missing. Even Miculek misses now and then. That's what stress/competition does to everyone. But at the ranges of realistic civilian defensive shooting (ie, 10 ft and less) you'd BETTER get your hits, super fast, or the attacker IS going to hit you. Such "accuracy" takes very little practice, but that kind of speed DOES take practice. the attacker gets to start FIRST, you have to come from behind. that means he doesn't need speed, but YOU do! he doesn't care about laws or lawsuits, but YOU had better. Since you have to hesitate and worry about innocents (and he doesn't) you'd damned well BETTER be very, very fast, so you can SPARE the 1/2 second needed to be sure.
 
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Old 05-18-2016, 10:50 AM   #2
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you eventually have to "press" for speed...
True. The best investment I've made shooting-wise in the last five years or so was getting a shooting timer. I've used them before but never had my own before this one.

It makes a huge difference when you can objectively compete against yourself instead of just other people.
 
Old 05-20-2016, 11:31 AM   #3
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well, you need to know what times the TOP men can deliver (on demand) too. That gives you an idea where you need to be. Plenty 'think" that a ccw Bill drill in 4.0 seconds is doing great, until they find out that many guys can average under 2 seconds, all 6 chest hits, ccw gear, hands at sides. that's all on one target, 7 yds. No "extra" .05-.10 second lost to each target-traverse. Take .10 second, total off of the sig guy's 1.35 second, that leaves .70 second for the CCW draw, on top of the .45 second he took to react, extend his arms fully and get the first hit. 2.0 seconds is very "do-able". for a concealed Bill Drill. Just like a 10 secon 100 yd dash is high school stuff these days. While most men over 50 would have a stroke trying to do the same in 20 seconds. and a helluva lot of them at age 30, too. 100 lbs overweight smokers, which are quite common.
 
 
Old 05-20-2016, 11:35 AM   #4
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when i first got a timer, my reaction draw and hit at 10 yds was 1.20 second speed rig and from surrender, In a few months, mostly with wax ammo, that wend down to .80 second. Arganbright couldn't believe it. :-) Still going to weaver. The biggest thing was having Bob make me a version of the Hack Special that had no leather between my big finger and the bottom of the trigger guard. Cooper had publicized that important feature many years before, but holstermakers ignore it to this day. it's worth an easy .20 second, for a good grip/reliable accuracy.
 
Old 05-20-2016, 08:25 PM   #5
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You can't even tell us how you placed 39 years ago in Rhodesia so why should we believe your BS?
 
Old 05-21-2016, 07:04 AM   #6
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I thought John was on the 'reserve' or 'backup' team or whatever it was called; having placed 10th in the earlier competition and there being only five slots on the actual team that shot. I could be wrong; I don't spend a lot of time or brain cells keeping track of things irrelevant to my life.
 
Old 05-21-2016, 03:20 PM   #7
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Well I do know that at least one of us shot in a match today! Today is the first day of a 2 day match put on by my wife. It is actually the first time she has been Match Director of a match. We had a long range side match with 7 different categories after the first 5 stages of the main match this morning. It looks like I set the side match record for most hits out at 300 yds of the 7 categories combined. All this with a 101 year old bolt action rifle.

So what did you shoot today Melvin?
 
Old 05-23-2016, 07:27 AM   #8
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Well yesterday, I took 1st place is the Pre 1912 Bolt Action Military Rifle category. I was absolutely gob smacked when we went done to recover the steel and put it away. I had a 3" triangular group at 300 yds , shooting sitting unsupported, on the painted steel target (24"H x 15" W). With all the time last year trying to solve the problem of finding a accurate load using cast bullets in a 101 year old rifle, I'm finally happy.
 
Old 05-23-2016, 07:25 PM   #9
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Actually I just rechecked all the long range competitors scores out at 300 yds, and considering all of the 5 different categories I had the largest number of hits at the 300 yd target than any other competitor. 4 out of a possible 5.
 
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