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Old 11-14-2016, 05:26 AM   #1
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bullet sellers online think you're an idiot

9c for pulled or blemished 223 fmj 55 gr. Hell, you'll have 3c in the brass, 3c in the primer, 10c in the powder and you can buy loaded steel cased stuff for 25c a rd. So you can buy loaded ammo for the cost of decent components. Wtf would you reload? the component price has to be cut in half to get me interested, and even then, it would require a Dillion loader to make it worth doing.
 
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Old 11-14-2016, 05:57 AM   #2
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A lot of gun guys (like a lot of americans in general) simply ARE idiots. No way around it. Personally I think I'm about done with steel-case stuff, but I've shot a bunch of it without major issues. Just have to be sure to clean the chamber extremely well before going back to brass-cased loads or you'll get extraction failures. I still have some on hand, but once I run thru it, I don't know if I'll go back to it. Don't plan to, but I've learned to "never say never" when it comes to trying to predict the future.

On the Dillon press, I've never owned one. My progressives have never been anything but lower-end Lee Pro-1000's. "Progressives" plural, not because of having them fail & need replacing, but because they're inexpensive enough that I keep three of them set up for different calibers.

I have friends who use Dillon and love them, but to get true progressive function (ie, auto-indexing) with Dillon, you have to either go up to the 650 or down to the Square Deal. The 550 doesn't auto-index, so it's really more of a hybrid between a turret press and a progressive press than a true progressive; at least in function. With the Lee 1000, it's "set a bullet, pull the lever - set a bullet, pull the lever, set a bullet, pull the lever..." Simple & fast.

The Lee presses aren't as 'nice' as the 650, but when looking for my first progressive after a few years of reloading, the Pro-1000 was about all I could comfortably afford, so I tried it. That was more than 25 years ago and I still have (and use) that press. Big difference is that a Dillon 650 runs about $600 or so, where the Lee Pro-1000 can be had for $175-$200. So it's not only more convenient to keep a Lee press set up for each of three calibers and just swap them out on the bench mount, it's actually cheaper as well. Also means that I have two spare of most parts, and I also like that aspect of it.

The Square Deal B from Dillon seems like a very good press, and it does auto-index; but it's still twice the price of the Pro-1000 that has worked fine for me for literally decades now, so I'm not interested in changing or experimenting at this point.
 
Old 11-14-2016, 06:19 AM   #3
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I have been using the auto indexing Lee Classic Turret set up with a reverse rotation kit from Inline Fabrication never any problems, can change calibers in a few seconds, swap turrets an shell holder. Turrets set up with every caliber I load for. Thought about getting one more or the Loadmaster set up just for 38spl. Had a Pro 1000 before in 45acp years ago but did not like only having 3 stations, had to taper crimp separate, one might be a answer for 38spl.
 
 
Old 11-14-2016, 07:58 AM   #4
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Melvin, just because you can get that price where you live, does not mean that we all can get the same price at other places in the world.
 
Old 11-14-2016, 03:59 PM   #5
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people paying $700 for lever actions and $3000 for 1911's, $900 for slow arsed mold and swaging dies to make 223 bullets out of .22lr brass, are adequate proof that lots of gunowners ARE stupid.
 
Old 11-15-2016, 06:28 AM   #6
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Seen where Mike Dillon passed away a few weeks ago.
 
Old 02-13-2017, 06:33 PM   #7
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I went Hornady, sturdier than the Lee, and not NEAR as spend as Big Blue, plus with the LNL, it takes about 8 min to change calibers (10 if it's from pistol to rifle or vice-versa) without needing a separate complete powder measure for each head.
 
Old 02-14-2017, 03:01 PM   #8
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I looked at the LNL a couple years ago when looking into replacement presses, but iirc there's an issue with non-standard die threads or something...?
 
Old 02-22-2017, 03:27 AM   #9
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I looked at the LNL a couple years ago when looking into replacement presses, but iirc there's an issue with non-standard die threads or something...?
It uses QD Bushings that are threaded for the standard 7/8" Dies I've got a mix of Hornady, Lee, RCBS, Redding, and Lyman dies from over the years and all work fine. I even converted my Rock Crusher to use the L-N-L bushings.
 
Old 02-22-2017, 04:45 PM   #10
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Oh, okay; I didn't remember specifically & didn't know details.
 
Old 04-16-2017, 11:53 PM   #11
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9c for pulled or blemished 223 fmj 55 gr. Hell, you'll have 3c in the brass, 3c in the primer, 10c in the powder and you can buy loaded steel cased stuff for 25c a rd. So you can buy loaded ammo for the cost of decent components. Wtf would you reload? the component price has to be cut in half to get me interested, and even then, it would require a Dillion loader to make it worth doing.
Your point is precisely WHY a lot of people don't load for the .223. Unless you want something different, it's simply cheaper - certainly when adding in labor, to by a case here and there of ready-made.

As for the statement about people in different locations not having access to the inexpensive ammo....the internet is "world-wide" and certainly covers the entire U.S. and this is where the very BEST ammo deals are...simply a click away, with ammo search engines ready to canvass multiple locations. Even here in CA, over at Sportsman's warehouse I think they're selling steel case for around $5/box of 20.

But, loading your own is NOT always about cost. I'm presently engaged in "reloading" factory new American Eagle 5.7x28 by pulling the bullets, inserting my own powder charge and re-capping with the original bullet. It's fast and easy, starts with a virgin brass case, and the result is 2,074 fps from my FiveseveN versus 1,630 fps for the ammo as delivered.

BTW, I didn't pay $25/box of 50 locally, I ordered the ammo online for $15/box.
 
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I'm a blue guy. My Square Deal B quickly became my Beloved Square Deal B.

So, is it a fact? Is justme Gunkid?

I ask because I am, apparently, in the so-sad generation of online folks who missed his glory days, and am now stuck with the worn out legends.
 
Old 04-24-2017, 03:40 PM   #13
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...So, is it a fact? Is justme Gunkid?

I ask because I am, apparently, in the so-sad generation of online folks who missed his glory days, and am now stuck with the worn out legends.
Yes, along with andy, sweetie, scarlett, boati, nikto, gkno, jefe, remember_me, and numerous others that I genuinely don't remember. The most twisted times are those when he creates multiple usernames and then posts in the same thread under both names; sometimes to perpetuate a "discussion", and sometimes using the new username to post praises of gunkid's known username.

Weird dude.
 
Old 04-24-2017, 03:40 PM   #14
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Along with a bunch of other names, same person.
 
Old 04-24-2017, 03:43 PM   #15
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I was amazed to see that some of the forums here appear to belong to him exclusively. And amused at the way you guys tolerate him.

"Yeah, he's a moron, but he's our moron."
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Old 04-25-2017, 01:52 PM   #16
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He's a very angry individual. Has a very low tolerance for anyone who does not agree with his ideas. Many are either illegal, dangerous, or just plain stupid. Entertaining as Hell.
 
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