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Old 11-08-2016, 03:26 PM   #1
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30c drops like a rock, losing velocity fast

since it's blunt roundnose has a lot of air resistance, and it's very lw for its caliber. From a 7" pistol barrel, it's 110 grs at 1500 fps. Some of the factory ammo aint that much better from the carbine's barrel, either. So your guy wearing level III armor better be really close and the impact angle better be really close to 90 degrees. None of that is at ALL likely to be the case for shtf, which was the context for my use of soft armor, anyway. Since that's the best you can do, you're still on ignore. Thought maybe you FINALLY came up with something, but not. I should have known better.
 
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Old 11-08-2016, 05:19 PM   #2
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...From a 7" pistol barrel, it's 110 grs at 1500 fps. Some of the factory ammo aint that much better from the carbine's barrel, either. So your guy wearing level III armor better be really close and the impact angle better be really close to 90 degrees. None of that is at ALL likely to be the case for shtf, which was the context for my use of soft armor, anyway.
Oh... my... gosh... You really can't absorb or process anything, can you?

I've never said a .30carbine, from ANY barrel, at ANY velocity, would defeat Level III armor. I said that your claim that it would be stopped by soft concealable armor was wrong. Because it's wrong. You are WRONG. Am I being unclear? Level III is HARD armor. Level III is RIFLE armor. Level III is NOT soft, concealable armor.

The highest-rated soft armor is Level IIIA, and .30 carbine will absolutely defeat IIIA. Even softpoint. Even softpoint from a pistol. You're objectively, demonstrably WRONG.

You claim 'expert' and 'guru' status, yet you don't even know the basic, freshman-level things like this.


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...Since that's the best you can do, you're still on ignore. Thought maybe you FINALLY came up with something, but not. I should have known better.
You are so damn dumb. If you genuinely had me on 'ignore', you wouldn't have seen my .30 carbine comment among the dozen so so lies of yours that I itemized. Nobody but me had posted in that thread before you did. That means you would HAVE no way to know I'd even mentioned .30 carbine; again, amidst all the other lies and flip-flops of yours in that thread. And that reality is blatantly obvious to anyone who isn't so drug-addled as to be a complete buffoon.

Once again, with no effort on anyone else's part, your words show you to be both a liar and an idiot.
 
Old 11-08-2016, 05:57 PM   #3
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John, I'll say it again even thoughI've said it many times already. If you'd be civil, I would also.

I don't enjoy conflict any more than any actual grownup person does; and if you'd stop launching turds, there would be no turds ricocheting back in your face.
 
 
Old 11-08-2016, 07:57 PM   #4
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Ever watch a three year old throw a tantrum? No amount of rational talk will make them stop until their worn out. I've often thought this way about good ol' gunkid when, long ago, he started that felon platoon nonsense. This is a 64 year old that's prone to tantrums.
 
Old 11-08-2016, 08:23 PM   #5
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'Felon platoon'..? I must have missed that.
 
Old 11-09-2016, 12:58 PM   #6
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...From a 7" pistol barrel, it's 110 grs at 1500 fps.
...So your guy wearing level III armor better be really close
...None of that is at ALL likely to be the case for shtf, which was the context for my use of soft armor...
I got to thinking - "maybe if I used color-coding, it may penetrate the drug-induced fog better..." So here we go…

Level III armor (that you talk about here) is rifle armor, and is VERY different from the "soft armor" that you keep equating it to. For whatever reason, you refuse to understand (or maybe just refuse to acknowledge) the MASSIVE difference between level III armor and soft armor.

Blue — “110 grains at 1500 fps” (really more like 1600-1620 fps) will defeat “soft armor”. I just showed you a video of standard .30Carbine ammo running 1561 fps from a 6.5” handgun. Standard softpoint .30Carbine ammo. Fired from a 6.5” barrel; shorter than what you’re talking about.

And it STILL penetrated IIIA armor.


Frankly, for me this isn't even about the 30 carbine really. It's about trying to help simple little words penetrate that mushy skull of yours. Because anyone who believes your ignorant nonsense is quite likely to get themselves killed in the process. I just hope for one of two things. Either:

A - get you to realize your many errors so you'll quit publicly shouting such stupid crap, or

B - get others (who may be new & impressionable) to recognize that you truly are this ignorant about things this basic; and that if they base their actions on your recommendations, then no amount of gear or good intentions can prevent the fallout inherent in following the advice of an ignorant liar.
 
Old 11-09-2016, 02:24 PM   #7
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'Felon platoon'..? I must have missed that.
Deep in his hero worshiping, JMD produced a post about a felon platoon that served in the 2nd Gulf War. When Delta Force or the SEAL's couldn't handle it, the felon platoon was called in to crush the enemy. Made up of "men almost always with multiple felony convictions" these were the toughest of the tough. Scarred, tattoo'd, dripping with knives and grenades and their hand's clutching automatic weapons. They could handle anything. When I pointed out that even to touch a weapon, let alone explosives, would result in a new Federal charge not only for them but anyone in the chain of command who knew of it, Melvin tried to bury the post. Caught in a complete fabrication he tried to deny he wrote it. Quoted time after time it was out there and it was Gunkid. Whenever he start's that "Nobody has ever caught me in a lie, I bring this up. To this day he won't respond to it.
 
Old 11-09-2016, 02:31 PM   #8
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...When Delta Force or the SEAL's couldn't handle it...
Lost me right there.
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