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Old 10-22-2016, 09:20 AM   #1
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can cut thru side of gun safe in 5 minutes

with an angle grinder, wranglestar says, on youtube. So your collection is not nearly as secure as you think it is. In a fire, if you have ammo inside the safe, it's converted into a bomb, and even if no ammo, the guns will probably be baked to a crisp. The front of the safe might be a lot thicker, but if the sides are not fully embedded in lots of steel reinforced concrete, a gun -sized hole can be cut in your safe very quickly.
 
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Old 10-22-2016, 10:28 AM   #2
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I've seen that video, as I watch a lot of security-related stuff due to the nature of my job. I went back and watched it again just now, and I agree with what he says. Of course, he never says five minutes - he says fifteen minutes. (It's at 1:45 or so in the video)

Frankly, I think fifteen is slow; but regardless, he never says five minutes, which is your premise in the first place.

But say it is five minutes... There are other factors that he's ignoring. You're not going to get to either of my safes without having set off my alarm; you're just not, trust me. This isn't Mission Impossible, and my alarm system is going off. Unless you bring your universal cellular jammer, which happens in the movies but not in real life. (I say "universal" because the security cellular transceivers that we stock and use, will use AT&T cell signal, Verizon cell signal, 2G, 3G, or 4G; any of the above, all automatically. It loses one, it switches to another.)

That means the authorities have been dispatched, I've gotten a text on my personal phone, and digital full-HD 1080P video is not only being recorded on site but is also sending to honeywell's remote servers.

Never mind the supervised contacts on the access points, the infrared/microwave motion sensors, or the acoustical glass-break detectors; even if those don't get you, the vibration/tilt sensors in the safes will. And no, this isn't some 'out there' James Bond kind of system, it's normal, off-the-shelf-stuff that we install all the time.

A whole lot of security systems are designed and/or installed poorly. But design and install one intelligently, and they can be extremely robust and capable.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 10:44 AM   #3
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And,I might also add as a follow up,this: NOTHING is 100℅ secure. That said,it also goes the OTHER way. Meaning that,in the past people may or may not have attempted(or succeeded initially)in getting through my own security measures. But ,so far;none of them have remained unidentified(to me at least)... Which brings up the closing: no open caskets for them.
 
 
Old 10-22-2016, 10:57 AM   #4
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99% of gunowers take nothing like such precautions and so the alarm goes off, so what? in a helluva lot of the US, cop response times to such stuff is half an hour or more.

far better, for most people, just take the guns apart and scatter hide the parts. Perfectly legal, everywhere, for you to have the slides, bolts, uppers in your car, and pretty much not worth stealing the separate parts.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 01:56 PM   #5
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And,I might also add as a follow up,this: NOTHING is 100℅ secure.
Agree; that's what I was getting at with the 'mission impossible' comment. ANY system can be beaten, but it just isn't happening in the real world. Anyone capable of getting thru a good system is going to be going after much tastier targets than this old redneck. And my system really isn't anything special; it's the same vanilla kind of thing we install on a regular basis.

The vibration & tilt sensors run anywhere from $8 up to $89 at the top end; as I said, not James Bond stuff.

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99% of gunowers take nothing like such precautions and so the alarm goes off, so what? in a helluva lot of the US, cop response times to such stuff is half an hour or more.
Probably 90-95% of gun owners don't have a safe either, so following their example is a bad idea in itself.

As for the 'so what' aspect, just think it thru. You gain entry to the house (which can certainly be done with any house), the alarm goes off. Time starts running out. The siren is going off and the authorities have been notified. Time is running out. That's when you're going to START unpacking your tools and START attacking a safe; just hoping that you have time even though your KNOW that the clock is running? Time is running out.

While simultaneously knowing that you're on video the whole time? Time is running out.

Even if you don't know about the off-site video sends, if you try to find & disable or take the video recorder, it costs you time; which we've already established is working against you from the time you violated the first perimeter zone.


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...Perfectly legal, everywhere, for you to have the slides, bolts, uppers in your car, and pretty much not worth stealing the separate parts.
I'm not leaving a bunch of critical and valuable gun parts in my vehicle for "safekeeping" any more than I'm going to leave my money or my wife's jewelry in a car for safekeeping.
 
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