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Old 01-22-2006, 08:44 AM   #1
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Mosin Nagant vs. Mauser 98

I am thinking about a rifle to practice scope shooting with. It isnt something I do a lot of and don't have any range handy for more than 100 yds. I am thinking of one of these old war horses mainly because ammo is cheap and plentiful. What are some recs? (and please dont say "both")
 
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Old 01-22-2006, 09:28 AM   #2
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Both!

Okay now seriously I'd go with some form of Mauser '98.

Lot's more options if you want to customize it later.

For example not many gunsmiths will be willing to rebarrel a M/N '91.
 
Old 01-22-2006, 10:19 AM   #3
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Mosin Nagant.

Mausers are no longer cheap. The 8mm surplus is already in the 1980's, it's cheap now, but won't last forever.

The Mosins are just as good. Ammo is plentiful and cheap. Even commercial ammo is half the price of the "cheap" commercial ammo in comparable calibers. Also the 7.62x54R is a current-issue cartridge and surplus will likely be around when you're long gone.

The same non-bubba scope mounts are available for both rifles.

If you want to give a rifle a bubba-job, the Mausers probably are better, but a store-bought Savage will be more accurate and in the long run, less expensive than modifying a Mauser. If you really want the '98 action, there are new-manufacture '98 action just waiting for that new barrel.

Now, if you could order $60-$80 Mausers from importers, that might sway me, but you can't anymore.

Now, if you're open to other suggestions:
If you're willing to reload, or pay a lot more for ammo, I'd recommend a No4 Enfield or K31 over either the Mosin or Mauser. The Enfields are about as expensive as a Mauser, but you'll not find a slicker turnbolt. They also tend to be very accurate.
The K31s tend to be rough, especially the wood, but are almost aas cheap as the Mosins. The GP-11 surplus ammo is more expensive than most other surplus, but cheaper than commercial ammo, and is almost as accurate as match-grade ammo.
Both those rifles really only reach their potential with handloading, however.
 
Old 01-22-2006, 11:09 AM   #4
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I have a Schmidt-Rubin alrready and love it. But the ammo cost is tough. Also not too many parts out there to customize yet.
 
Old 01-22-2006, 12:57 PM   #5
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I don't know what the price is nationally but I still see the Turkish Mausers around here for +/-$60. Not sure how well those look bore wise though.
 
Old 01-22-2006, 04:20 PM   #6
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I'd go with the Yugo Mauser though I have and love the Mosin Nagant. Have you considered getting a C&R?

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Old 01-22-2006, 04:23 PM   #7
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Mauser is the way to go
 
Old 01-23-2006, 05:13 PM   #8
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My Vote.

While I have to admit that the only Mauser that I have fired was a 7.65 Argentiine (sp), I do have a 1934 reworked M1891/1930 Mosin in 7.62x54R. I also have a .303 British. I LOVE my Enfield. I finally broke down and got all the stuff to reload it. I was looking at a K98 or a 7.5 Swiss, but I chose the Mosin partially because I can reload it using the same .311 dia. bullet that I already use in my .303. The model 1891/1930 Mosin has been around for a long time and the 7.62x54R is STILL in service. Surplus ammo is dirt cheap.
 
Old 01-25-2006, 02:25 PM   #9
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Mosin Nagant vs. Mauser 98


the mauser wins without a thought. the nagant is ok for a split bridge rifle but it's hard to scope ie: (side mount or a long eye relief scope). the mauser on the other hand is easy to scope. both rifle fire a round that is for all purposes equal. the mauser is the stronger of the two. and IMO it's a lot better looking rifle all around. the nagants are about 40 or 50 buck cheaper right now but when you scope the nagant with a good side mount i think the cost will even out. LOL
 
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Also consider that remington has 8mm mauser ammo for sale(look on official site). Then consider why 3/4 of the world used the mauser instead of the mosin...
 
Old 03-11-2006, 09:42 PM   #11
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I am thinking about a rifle to practice scope shooting with. It isnt something I do a lot of and don't have any range handy for more than 100 yds. I am thinking of one of these old war horses mainly because ammo is cheap and plentiful. What are some recs? (and please dont say "both")
I can't see putting a 'scope on either for 100 yard shooting. Even with surplus 8mm out of any one of my M48A's or Wolf 7.62MM out of my Mosin-Nagant M44, I would hope to do adequate shooting on a 5" Bullseye target with the issue sights at 100 yards. I think your premise is wrong. Get a Ruger 10/22 with a decent 3X9 'scope and practice at 25, 40, and 50 yards on smaller targets. You can alway's move up to a heavier caliber when you have the basics down.

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Old 03-11-2006, 11:18 PM   #12
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Given a choice between the two for your purposes, I would choose a mosin nagant.

As I believe someone already mentioned, 7.62x54r isn't being phased out by the Russian military anytime soon. Cheap surplus will be around for a long, long time, unlike the 8mm.
 
Old 03-12-2006, 12:20 PM   #13
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As I said though, Remington still makes 8mm ammo. THe ammunition "apocalypse" for mauser owners is still far off.
 
Old 03-12-2006, 04:00 PM   #14
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Except the commercial 8mm ammunition made by both Remington and Winchester costs about $1 US a shot.

There is no apocalypse... handloaders keep lee enfields in ammo despite ammunition costs comparable to commercial 8mm, and they will do so with mausers. The criteria was simply "cheap surplus."
 
Old 03-12-2006, 05:41 PM   #15
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True, true. The problem is how long cheap surplus will last. I would say between 20-50 years.
 
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So it MIGHT run out when you're ready to retire?
LOL, either way it'll be long after the other surplus ammo we're running now has gone the way of the dodo.
 
Old 03-13-2006, 05:23 AM   #17
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well there were about 3-5 million nagants made. while i read some where that if you count all of the contract and non contract mausers that were made and are still being made after more than 100 yrs it come to something like 50 million of them. i think parts and such will be around when most of the weapons you see today will be gone or in a collection collecting dust. the only weapon that has been produced more than the 98 mauser is the ak types at about 150 million of them. or someting like that.
 
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