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View Poll Results: Who makes the best quality AR-15?
Colt 55 25.46%
Armalite 19 8.80%
Bushmaster 88 40.74%
Other 54 25.00%
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Old 10-23-2003, 11:54 PM   #1
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Best quality AR-15?

Who makes the best quality AR-15 rifle out there? I confess I don't know them all, but I'll try my hand at this poll thing to see if I can recall some brand names off of the top of my head.
 
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Old 11-23-2003, 10:50 AM   #2
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Just out of curiosity, what is the OTHER brand of AR-15 that people are voting on?

I voted on Bushmaster myself, because all the ones I have ever handled or owned were very well made, and shot to point of aim with the sites centered.

I bought an Armalite and had to screw the windage site over almost all the way to it's end of travel to get it to line up with the bullet impact. I sent the upper receiver back to Armalite. They fixed it, but it left a bad taste in my mouth.

I have an original Colt that I bought back around 1982 or so, that has always worked well for me, but I think if I were going to go out tomorrow and buy another AR-15, it would be a Bushmaster.
 
Old 11-27-2003, 08:06 AM   #3
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A, B, C, D...

Armalite
Bushmaster
Colt
DPMS

I voted "Other" as my best quality AR is the clone I built myself. there should be no reason that ANYONE can't build as good or better quality AR themselves, if selecting the proper parts to begin with! JMO
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I would have to say Olympic, not from pratical experance, but from the work they have done for me.

I have had them modifiy two of my guns and the workmanship was top of the line, if that translates into their manufacturing then those must be some of the fineist guns around.
 
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I have a Bushmaster and have had no problem with it. The Army has also butght Bushmaster, but we all know they buy the lowest bidder!!


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I would have to go with OLYMPIC ARMS, as i have bought and sold several of thier guns and would have to say that I haven't been disappointed with any of them yet.
Not to mention they have a 60 day satifaction guarantee and a lifetime repair warranty.



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Old 04-27-2004, 06:12 PM   #7
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can't go wrong with a used Rock River

Arms version, that you testfired before buying, and got for 3/4 of current retail (or less). Personally, I'd say to finish a KT Ordnance 80% lower, so you have at least one real rifle that Big Brother doesn't know about, and put Model 1 Sales parts on it.
 
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I've only owned two. A new Colt A3 with 16 inch barrel and a new Bushmaster V Match Carbine, same length barrel. The Colt was tight and well finished. The Bushmaster was well finished but maybe not quite as tight. The Bushmaster shoots 1/4 MOA at 100 yds. with loads it likes. The Colt wouldn't shoot under 3 MOA with anything. Which one do you think I kept.

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Can't say I've ever owned one, but I've fired several. The fully automatic colt (w/brass catcher, fore grip, and suppressor) was easily the most fun to shoot (yes, it is legally owned and registered with the ATF), but I liked the Bushmaster the best. It had a custom trigger and 20" match barrel. Most accurate semi-auto rifle I've ever fired. Don't flame me for that *cough*223 fan*cough*andy*cough* I prefer manual operation.
 
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then u need to keep your face OUT

of discussions about autoloading rifles, since you don't know jack [] about them, or about effective combat type shooting. There's ZERO reason to prefer man op rifles. All you do is give up half of your hit rate, a VERY stupid thing to do, when the majority of the NEED to fire a rifle is at multiple targets,usually in either ambush or ambush-breaking type of encounters. It's really essential that a fighting rifle be able to get 5-10 hits, in a very few seconds. You aint fighting Indians with muzzleloaders or bows anymore. You wont even be fighting against bolt actions, as they did in WW2 and Korea. You will be fighting AK's, sks's, M16's, and if all you have is a lever action,much less a bolt action, yoiu wont last long.

you wont HAVE chopper evac, artillery and fighter plane support, a safe base to run to, like the military snipers have and had. Nor any real med care. so the SLIGHTEST frag in your face, hands, etc is likely to mean a disabling infection.
 
Old 06-12-2004, 06:14 AM   #11
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Because shooting Rambo style and John Wayning is going to keep me alive while I'm elk hunting? You don't use man-ops because you couldn't find the lever or the bolt handle. You'd rather sit there and pop off shots wildly like it's a Hollywood movie.

I've fired autoloaders, cleaned them, broken them down, etc. Just because I have a personal preferance for man-ops doesn't make my opinion invalid. I know which brands are reliable, I know what make good accessories, and I know that most people here aren't going to war and just want something that's fun to shoot. In addition, few people posting here need "combat style" shooting of training. If you want that, join the military, coward.
 
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I volunteered for nam, punk, and I

helped TRAIN the guys who influenced the way the rifle is taught to the VERY few guys in the military who ever USE the rifle, to any extent at all. :-) Nothing says you can't hunt with a BAR, and what you "know" about shooter gear and accessories, I could write in paragraph.
 
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The one thing your posts always manage to do is go so far off topic that I don't know what the Heck you're trying to say.

BTW: I doubt you were a Drill Instructor or are a Vietnam Vet.
 
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The one thing your posts always manage to do is go so far off topic that I don't know what the Heck you're trying to say.

BTW: I doubt you were a Drill Instructor or are a Vietnam Vet.
No, he wasn't - he was a piss-poor dog handler in Korea, 150 miles away from the DMZ.

Why do I say he was a piss-poor dog handler - he doesn't know the basics of dog handling and got his butt handed to him by "real" dog handlers.

He has also admitted to abusing the dogs he was in charge of. (His own statements, not second hand rumor crap).

He had nothing to do with rifle doctrine - that's clear as his ideas are pretty much opposite reality and run counter to what IS being taught.

He will not last two days if SHTF. (I'd say one day, but since he only does half-day ftx's... well, you get the picture.)

 
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No, he wasn't - he was a piss-poor dog handler in Korea, 150 miles away from the DMZ.

Why do I say he was a piss-poor dog handler - he doesn't know the basics of dog handling and got his butt handed to him by "real" dog handlers.

He has also admitted to abusing the dogs he was in charge of. (His own statements, not second hand rumor crap).

He had nothing to do with rifle doctrine - that's clear as his ideas are pretty much opposite reality and run counter to what IS being taught.

He will not last two days if SHTF. (I'd say one day, but since he only does half-day ftx's... well, you get the picture.)

I can back Aslan up on this -- How can I, you may ask?

It's easy, I have a copy of the TARD'S DD form 214. It seems that he foolishly let it be posted on the Internet, and as such, it is public information now.

TA-TA TARD.

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I see a lot of posters like Bushmaster. The only thing I know about Bushmaster is that one that blew up and almost blew a friends wrist off. You should see what it's like when a thirty round magazine gets set off.

And I have seen a lot of the "purple" Bushmaster rifles. I don't know what causes quiet a few of their receivers to look purple.

Having said all of that, I would like to have at least one, or two of each, of the major AR manufacturers rifles. Could be a lot of fun.

When you get into which is the best of anything, rifles or what ever it is, it usually becomes a Ford and Chevy discussion.

The AR-15, that is the best for you, is the one that has worked the best, for you. If you want to know about AR-15's, go to http://www.ar15.com/ as these guys really know their AR's.

I, personally, have four AR-15's now. Two AR15A2's and two CAR-15's. I would hazard a guess, that the other major manufacturers have made AR's that are just as good as any of my own.

In addition, I have three flat top uppers also. Two are 20" models and one is a 16" model. These uppers are Colt manufacture.

I will be buying more AR's this year. At least two, maybe three of which, will be from Les Baer. Pricy, but nice.

I am also looking real hard at the M1A's too. The high-end, camouflaged model, looks like need to have rifle. If, for nothing else, than just fun.

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never said I was,punk. DI's only teach

twits like you. the guys I shot with train the Delta Force, Seals, etc. :-) I said I VOLUNTEERED for nam, not that I went there. I left Oakland with jungle fatiques and orders that said "RVN", but while I was TDY on Okinawa, getting dog handler training, my entire 40man class was "diverted" to Korea. March, 1972.
I never abused a dog. I RIGHTEOUSLY <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>ed up one that tried to kill me, and again when it tried to kill my partner (his handler) Later, the Army killed that dog, because my partner wouldn't let ME handle the pos. I had him "buffaloed", but Deeds was scared of Dusty, and Dusty KNEW it. He just got worse and worse after I left, and finally he wouldn't work at all, so they put a needle in him.
 
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Re: never said I was,punk. DI's only teach

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twits like you. the guys I shot with train the Delta Force, Seals, etc. :-) I said I VOLUNTEERED for nam, not that I went there. I left Oakland with jungle fatiques and orders that said "RVN", but while I was TDY on Okinawa, getting dog handler training, my entire 40man class was "diverted" to Korea. March, 1972.
I never abused a dog. I RIGHTEOUSLY <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>ed up one that tried to kill me, and again when it tried to kill my partner (his handler) Later, the Army killed that dog, because my partner wouldn't let ME handle the pos. I had him "buffaloed", but Deeds was scared of Dusty, and Dusty KNEW it. He just got worse and worse after I left, and finally he wouldn't work at all, so they put a needle in him.
Another post EXCRETED from the TARD'S vivid imagination.

TARD, why is it that nobody believes you? Curious people want to know!

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My gut reaction handling a few has been that Bushmaster was the way to go. Glad the poll so far has supported this idea. Of course, I learned of more manufacturers I could have put on the poll since I posted it. Even could have put "do it yourself" for a parts gun.

So what twist rate do you all prefer? Guess it depends on the weight bullet, huh?
 
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Re: never said I was,punk. DI's only teach

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twits like you. the guys I shot with train the Delta Force, Seals, etc. :-) I said I VOLUNTEERED for nam, not that I went there. I left Oakland with jungle fatiques and orders that said "RVN", but while I was TDY on Okinawa, getting dog handler training, my entire 40man class was "diverted" to Korea. March, 1972.
Diverted? Or was it because you were found to be:

SICK, LAME AND LAZY, BLIND, CRIPPLED AND CRAZY?

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I never abused a dog. I RIGHTEOUSLY <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>ed up one that tried to kill me, and again when it tried to kill my partner (his handler) Later, the Army killed that dog, because my partner wouldn't let ME handle the pos. I had him "buffaloed", but Deeds was scared of Dusty, and Dusty KNEW it. He just got worse and worse after I left, and finally he wouldn't work at all, so they put a needle in him.
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You sick, abusive idiot, you have not done one rightous think in your entire sorry-ass life.

I am getting some more information on your arrest record TARD! I hear there is more to your record, than drugs and suppressors. Arrest and conviction records are public information now TARD. Care to comment?

The things, I am hearing ,indicate that your are a deviant, and perverted. Why, am I hearing these things TARD?

Bill
 
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So what twist rate do you all prefer? Guess it depends on the weight bullet, huh?
1:9, but if you're going to competition, you should spend alot of time tinkering with bullet wieghts, and powder loads, in addition to rates of twist. In general, though, lighter faster bullets go better with a tighter twist, and bigger heavier bullets are more suited for looser twists.
 
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1:9, but if you're going to competition, you should spend alot of time tinkering with bullet wieghts, and powder loads, in addition to rates of twist. In general, though, lighter faster bullets go better with a tighter twist, and bigger heavier bullets are more suited for looser twists.
If that is the case, why do varmint rifles and the first AR's have a 1:12, or 1:14 twist rates with 55 gr bullets, and later AR's have 1:9 and 1:7 twist rates with 62 to 69 gr bullets?

Bill
 
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If that is the case, why do varmint rifles and the first AR's have a 1:12, or 1:14 twist rates with 55 gr bullets, and later AR's have 1:9 and 1:7 twist rates with 62 to 69 gr bullets?

Bill
There might be a difference in the number of, and size of, the grooves, and could you post accuracy comparisons between the them (or links to such)?
 
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best ar out there?

hey everyone, i bought bushmasters dissipator 16" for christmas of 03, havn't put 200 rds throuh it yet but zeroed iron sights then promptly ordered their pin/drill muzzle brake, i did not have a .018 taper bit as per instructions so i "bubbaded"the set pin to fit. i was pleased with my garage install and went out to the desert to do a little shootin' always seems to center me if you know what i mean! anyway the muzzle blast was any thing you would ever expect from a 223. on round #4 rifle kicked like a sick jackass and said garage install flew about 20 yards penetrating a prickaly pear cactus pad, i was dusting rocks about 400 yards away in the kneeling position and caught the cactus tremble/shake from the corner of my eye during this W.T.F experience and frankly i'm glad it flew south! i was bummingout after first shot. when i got home i put the sawzall to that evil being on the end of my cetme, maybe i'll shoot it more now! but what to do about drill hole/muzzle of new AR, i was thinking that a spent 50 cal casing with the rim cut off and some dremal work would heat sweat right on there, then header paint. hmmmm! i know it would work and it would'nt cost $35 maybe in september after AWB rots on the vine
 
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...In general, though, lighter faster bullets go better with a tighter twist, and bigger heavier bullets are more suited for looser twists.


If we're talking about different bullet weights being in the same caliber, that's actually backwards. Lighter bullets favor slower twists, and heavier bullets need faster twists. If you push too light a bullet in a varmint rifle with too fast a twist, the bullet can be in danger of actually disintegrating in mid-air, due to over-rotation and the centrifugal forces put on it.

Original AR's and M16's used 1 in 12 twists with 55-grain bullets, then went to faster twists as people (and govts) started using heavier bullets.

The even-lighter (though same "caliber") 36-40 grain .22LR bullets are generally pushed through an even-slower 1-in-14 or 1-in-16 rifle twist. That's one 'weakness' of the .22 units in AR's; the AR's rifling twist is almost always faster than optimum for .22LR ammo.

If we're talking about just the .223/5.56, the heavier the bullet, the faster the twist required for bullet stabilization.
 
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Sorry, my mistake.
 
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if u r talking about service rifle matches

u need a LOT of practice, before ANY work on your ammo is what matters. The scoring zones are VERY big, and almost NOBODY stays in the 10 ring.
 
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Response to 84 C4 post by .223

Now why would you insult 84 C4 for making an intelligient comment on AR-15 type rifles? Anyway, I have the Colt pre-ban SP1 Full size and the SP1 collapsible stock carbine and I think they are top of the line. I just recently fired my son's Armalite M-15 Carbine and give it top marks for accuracy and reliability. It seems a bit heavy to me after my Colt's, but points well and accepts the M-16 type magazines with no problems. (Not the Israeli Ones!)
 
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of discussions about autoloading rifles, since you don't know jack [] about them, or about effective combat type shooting. There's ZERO reason to prefer man op rifles. All you do is give up half of your hit rate, a VERY stupid thing to do, when the majority of the NEED to fire a rifle is at multiple targets,usually in either ambush or ambush-breaking type of encounters. It's really essential that a fighting rifle be able to get 5-10 hits, in a very few seconds. You aint fighting Indians with muzzleloaders or bows anymore. You wont even be fighting against bolt actions, as they did in WW2 and Korea. You will be fighting AK's, sks's, M16's, and if all you have is a lever action,much less a bolt action, yoiu wont last long.

you wont HAVE chopper evac, artillery and fighter plane support, a safe base to run to, like the military snipers have and had. Nor any real med care. so the SLIGHTEST frag in your face, hands, etc is likely to mean a disabling infection.
What in the world would you know about any of this? Artillery support? Ever called any in? Ambushes? Ever been in any? Explain a typical ambush set up to me. You have never been in any sort of military combat, and by your own admission were incarcerated most of your adult life and then forbidden to own firearms. How can you be an expert on any firearm since you could not own one since the early 1980's? Since you were a Korean Hero, could you supply your MOS, rank, and unit designation?
 
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Terry G,

you have to understand that the tard likes to make up crap like about needing arty and air support - otherwise his fantasy falls apart.

Plus, since he beleives the best way to treat a wound is to pour boiling water on it, he beleives that any cut will be fatal.


(last time I checked, boiling water would cause tissue destruction and would make matters worse, not better.)

 
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You mean that when you shoot yourself in the foot, boiling water isn't a good thing???? Geez I thought it was a money saving idea?
 
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Thumbs down how do you block people?

this board is nice except for "223 fan" and a couple of other people who seem to just attack for any reason..

how can you block? on a lot of boards, you can block users who've a bad case of assholitis...
 
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this board is nice except for "223 fan" and a couple of other people who seem to just attack for any reason..

how can you block? on a lot of boards, you can block users who've a bad case of assholitis...
Register an account.
Then you can set up an ignore list.
 
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MELVIN is a cry-baby ...

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helped TRAIN the guys who influenced the way the rifle is taught to the VERY few guys in the military who ever USE the rifle, to any extent at all. :-) Nothing says you can't hunt with a BAR, and what you "know" about shooter gear and accessories, I could write in paragraph.
No you didn't train anybody. You went to dog handling school, and then went to Korea where you cry-babyed about being too close to the DMZ. You were 150 miles away from the DMZ.

How do I know this? I have a copy of your DD form 214.

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Are you sure its not a forgery?
 
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Hey guys, I'm new to this forum, been doing some reading first hand and must say some interesting stuff. I am in the Army and have shot many Colts, not saying am an expert by any means, I do have a bushmaster xm15 carbine, a friend of mine has an armalite. both shoot well and have put many rounds though them. But In my opinion I still like the way my Busy shoots, Bushy is my choice..
 
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Hi sgtbpm,

Welcome to the group. Please feel free to join in when you want.

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Old 08-02-2004, 06:25 PM   #38
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Best quality AR-15

Hi guys, I'm new in here. I'll be looking to buy my first AR-15 sometime next year, and I've been looking around at different manufacturers. My local dealer showed me a Bushmaster M4 with a synthetic receiver and a non-colapsable stock, and an Olympic Arms tacticle model with a side-folding stock and flat-top reciever. HE says that Olympic Arms ought to be avoided because they are not mil-spec (so he says). Still looking around...any advice would be welcome!

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if value for the $ is your game, get the gun used, from a private party. Of course, try not to show your ID, OR let him see your car. :-) RockRiver lowers are fine, and are $100 on GunsAmerical.com. That is the only part of the gun that must come thru a dealer,or that has a serial number, can't be just mail ordered.,or has to have sales tax added to it. Model One Sales, in Ill, sells preassembled AR uppers that are first rate, at VERY good prices. So you are looking at about $550 for a brand new gun, plus the 1/2 hour and no special tools it takes to assemble the lower receiver and its parts, which you should know how to do anyway. Pretty hard to beat that price. Also, you of course get to send for whatever sort of barrel and upper you want, to include a threaded muzzle. Model One's parts kit does NOT include a magazine, tho.
 
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Just don't get a 11 CAR. It's a losers gun. Low power, short range. No wonder the Army got rid of it.
 
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