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Old 11-15-2016, 05:25 PM   #1
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there's reasons why butchers, fishermen

dont use 1/4" thick clubs for their work. :-) scandi grind is a pita to keep sharp when you actually USE your knife a lot. Carry a small chisel for camp work and you wont have to be using your knife as a wedge and prybar.
 
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Old 11-15-2016, 05:45 PM   #2
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Spoken by someone who DOESN'T "actually use their knife a lot". Some of us live rural lives and actually do use knives. Sharpening different edges on knives is like reloading tapered vs. straight-wall cartridges - there are differences, but if a person is competent they can mostly work just fine.

The spyderco in my pants pocket works fine. It has a different edge than the B&D Executive Edge in my shirt pocket, which also works fine. The Marbles Ideal that has served as my primary woods knife for 12-15 years has a different grind, and it works fine. The Fallkniven Krut that rides on my 'cowboy' belt with the .45 El Patron has a different grind, and it works fine.

Tonight I've sharpened both my spyderco and my troodon (that I rarely carry). Very different knives, with similar edges. Both work fine.

Point simply being - they work fine.

When was the last time you actually built a fire out in the woods? For me, it was about five weeks ago. When was the last time you actually used a chisel when camping or hunting? For me, it was 'never'.
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:37 PM   #3
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Yep like the places where the "scandi" grind originated does not have any wilderness activities at all.

Really the worst two things IMHO that a knife can have is improper heat treatment of the steel and/or wrong steel for the tasks it was designed for in the first place.
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Old 03-28-2017, 12:38 AM   #4
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Yep like the places where the "scandi" grind originated does not have any wilderness activities at all.

Really the worst two things IMHO that a knife can have is improper heat treatment of the steel and/or wrong steel for the tasks it was designed for in the first place.
This. All day, this.

(Also, Hi Ed! This is DW btw, same situation happened to my account.)

All the handcrafting and grind style in the world doesn't compare to this. I've EDM'ed > Passivated (to shake the recast more than anything else), and waterjetted > surface ground blades before. Use nice material with a good, no-frills design and that's the end of it.

Some of Crucible's select-chemistry M4 stuff is amazing, and I don't know why more people don't use it.

Then again, I remember when we batched Grade 5 kitchen knives for an OEM. That was a hoot.
 
Old 04-16-2017, 06:14 PM   #5
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never said that they had no wilderness activities. said it was silly to try to pry with a knife, or have a 1/4" thick blade, so it wont break when you pry with it, and then have trouble doing filletind, skinning ressharpening in the field, cause your blade is too thick.
 
Old 04-16-2017, 06:16 PM   #6
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dont be so stupid as to try to do everything with one knife, that's all. Save your money. Buy a little pry bar and a Mora for $15 each, and be way ahead. You need a folding saw, anyway. So it's not like the belt knife can do it all (waf) Lots of places, you need a kukri or machete, too.
 
Old 04-17-2017, 02:57 PM   #7
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...or have a 1/4" thick blade, so it wont break when you pry with it, and then have trouble doing filletind, skinning ressharpening in the field, cause your blade is too thick.
Godallmighty John, if you're going to constantly post hostile crap, could you at least try to avoid making it such blatantly, easily-demonstrably WRONG hostile crap..?

You can skin, dress, and even fillet just fine with a stout blade. It's easier with a thin blade, but that's all. I've processed game with knives including my marbles ideal with its 1/4" thick blade, fallkniven sk-6, buck 119 and others; many (most) of which have had stout, non-fillet blades.

You can also sharpen a stout blade in the field just fine. You really believe that (given equal steel and equal starting edge) a thin blade takes less sharpening than a thick one? The reason it takes more time to put an edge BACK on a thicker blade is the same reason you can use it longer BETWEEN resharpenings. A butcher may take a few seconds more to resharpen his knife than a barber does to restrop his razor; but a barber has to sharpen his razor more often than a butcher needs to sharpen his knife.

As far as "having trouble resharpening", it takes literally 2-3 minutes; not the "hours" you have previously claimed. This is personal, first-hand experience, using the (big) knife and (eze-lap) sharpener that are my normal woods carry. Two or three minutes; not "hours".

This is my second-favorite woods knife; a fallkniven SK-6 Krut, which I've shown you before. It's in its regular sheath, which also carries an eze-lap hone right along with it. (The sheath above it is the perfectly functional yet nauseating factory sheath that I just personally don't like.) THIS knife, with THIS sharpener, carried and used by THIS redneck, sharpens up just fine:


If you actually did woods stuff, maybe you wouldn't make such stupid pontifications about woods stuff. And saying stupid stuff loudly and often doesn't make it any less stupid. We've had this conversation before - there's a tendency for the loudest kid in the class to assume he's the smartest, but that's rarely the case.


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...Carry a small chisel for camp work...
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...Buy a little pry bar and a Mora for $15 each...
...You need a folding saw, anyway...
...Lots of places, you need a kukri or machete, too.
So you say we should be carrying:
1 - a chisel,
2 - a pry bar,
3 - a mora knife,
4 - a folding saw, and
5 - either a kukri or machete

Five cutting tools that we "need" to carry, just in this thread alone.

You've also said we should carry a straight razor (for skinning game and shaving around wounds), and a multitool.

Seven cutting tools that we 'need' to carry in the woods. Srsly..? Once again you're ranting like the televangelists you claim to despise.

When was the last time you used a knife in the woods? Heck, when was the last time you were IN the woods? Or the last time you worked on a pond that needs reclaiming, or treated acreage for poisonous pests, or any real outdoor-living stuff? For me, I did all the above just this past Saturday. But then, I actually do stuff instead of just pontificating about stuff.

But you go ahead and believe that we grownups are "stupid" if we don't carry your seven cutting instruments around with us...
 
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