ever heard of Jim Carmichael?

andy · 03-31-2005, 09:30 PM

he bet his farm that he could take the great bears with .22 Hornet, and bet another $10,000 that he could do so with no more than 2 shots per animal. Hornet has HALF the power of 223 and aint available in an autorifle.

KJUN · 04-01-2005, 04:13 AM

Did he do it?

RIKA · 04-01-2005, 08:48 AM

Doesn't he call himself Claude Carmichael now?

RIKA

GBullet · 04-01-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by andy

ever heard of Jim Carmichael? he bet his farm that he could take the great bears with .22 Hornet...

Sure, if you shoot bears at your local zoo.

RIKA · 04-02-2005, 08:02 AM

Still no proof that Carmichael made good on his bet.

RIKA

BigJon · 10-11-2005, 02:17 PM

Reminds me of a really off-color joke about a guy who goes bear hunting and has a few too many misfires. See, there's this bear ....

.... Nah. Too naughty. Never mind. I'll just laugh to myself.

Best,
Jon

Wylycoyte · 10-11-2005, 02:41 PM

"You're not in this for the hunting, are you?"

andy · 11-02-2010, 12:32 PM

Dunno if he did, but he made the bet in his book, many years ago. If you want to bet him, he used to (does?) write for Outdoor Life mag. They can probably put you in touch. He may be too decrepit to deliver these days, dunno. The point is that a highly experienced hunter and rifleman said that a cartridge MUCH feebler than a 223, in a bolt action, was adequate to take "any N.American game animal", with less than 3 shots. :-) Just because YOU aint got what it takes to make the 223 suffice doesn't mean that the cartridge isn't powerful enough. It just means that you aint hunter enough to get within 75m, and hit the brain, that's all.

DJetAce · 11-24-2010, 06:21 PM

I hear in WW2 some GIs used grenades and improvised fire bombs to stop German tanks. Does that mean it will work in most circumstances? No?

So yes I have no doubt a .22 hornet can take a bear, under very ideal circumstances, but not in many. Same goes for a .223, no matter what kind of rifle.

NightWolf · 11-25-2010, 03:58 AM

1 in a 1,000,000 shot. There have been incidents where dangerous animals have been dropped with a small caliber, low powered round, but it was pure luck and nothing else. Being a Southpaw, if I lived in Alaska I'd chose the Desert Eagle in 44mag. Much easier for a Lefty to reload quickly under stress if needed.

money30 · 07-05-2012, 11:18 PM

he bet his farm that he could take the great bears with .22 Hornet, and bet another $10,000 that he could do so with no more than 2 shots per animal. Hornet has HALF the power of 223 and aint available in an autorifle.

differ · 07-10-2012, 01:44 PM

I'd say that if you know anything, you'd be easily able to take a bear, quite safely, with a 223 autoloading rifle. Just put out a bait, be in a tree stand, waiting. That is the way that they used to take leopards and tigers. A 223 softpoint to the cranium will pop the eyeballs out of any animal smaller than an elephant. There's nothing "1 in a million" about being able to hit the brain, using a rest for the rifle, from 50 yds and less, and nothing special about being in a tree stand, 25 yds downwind from a bait. It would be a simple thing to arrange such a setup, actually.

money30 · 07-15-2012, 07:18 PM

he bet his farm that he could take the great bears with .22 Hornet, and bet another $10,000 that he could do so with no more than 2 shots per animal. Hornet has HALF the power of 223 and aint available in an autorifle.

03-31-2005, 09:30 PM	#1
andy Registered User Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,117	ever heard of Jim Carmichael? he bet his farm that he could take the great bears with .22 Hornet, and bet another $10,000 that he could do so with no more than 2 shots per animal. Hornet has HALF the power of 223 and aint available in an autorifle.

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04-01-2005, 04:13 AM	#2
KJUN Registered User Joined: Jan 2004 From: Louisiana Posts: 2,014	Did he do it?

04-01-2005, 08:48 AM	#3
RIKA Registered User Joined: Jun 2004 From: In the freezer section Posts: 10,279	Doesn't he call himself Claude Carmichael now? RIKA

04-02-2005, 08:02 AM	#5
RIKA Registered User Joined: Jun 2004 From: In the freezer section Posts: 10,279	Still no proof that Carmichael made good on his bet. RIKA

10-11-2005, 02:17 PM	#6
BigJon Registered User Joined: May 2004 From: Montgomery, Alabama Posts: 1,062	Reminds me of a really off-color joke about a guy who goes bear hunting and has a few too many misfires. See, there's this bear .... .... Nah. Too naughty. Never mind. I'll just laugh to myself. Best, Jon

10-11-2005, 02:41 PM	#7
Wylycoyte Registered User Joined: Aug 2004 From: Bat Country Posts: 1,783	"You're not in this for the hunting, are you?"

11-02-2010, 12:32 PM	#8
andy Registered User Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,117	Dunno if he did, but he made the bet in his book, many years ago. If you want to bet him, he used to (does?) write for Outdoor Life mag. They can probably put you in touch. He may be too decrepit to deliver these days, dunno. The point is that a highly experienced hunter and rifleman said that a cartridge MUCH feebler than a 223, in a bolt action, was adequate to take "any N.American game animal", with less than 3 shots. :-) Just because YOU aint got what it takes to make the 223 suffice doesn't mean that the cartridge isn't powerful enough. It just means that you aint hunter enough to get within 75m, and hit the brain, that's all.

11-24-2010, 06:21 PM	#9
DJetAce Registered User Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,277	I hear in WW2 some GIs used grenades and improvised fire bombs to stop German tanks. Does that mean it will work in most circumstances? No? So yes I have no doubt a .22 hornet can take a bear, under very ideal circumstances, but not in many. Same goes for a .223, no matter what kind of rifle.

11-25-2010, 03:58 AM	#10
NightWolf Registered User Joined: Nov 2010 From: United States Posts: 74	1 in a 1,000,000 shot. There have been incidents where dangerous animals have been dropped with a small caliber, low powered round, but it was pure luck and nothing else. Being a Southpaw, if I lived in Alaska I'd chose the Desert Eagle in 44mag. Much easier for a Lefty to reload quickly under stress if needed.

07-05-2012, 11:18 PM	#11
money30 Registered User Joined: Jun 2012 From: VA Posts: 54	he bet his farm that he could take the great bears with .22 Hornet, and bet another $10,000 that he could do so with no more than 2 shots per animal. Hornet has HALF the power of 223 and aint available in an autorifle.

07-10-2012, 01:44 PM	#12
differ Registered User Joined: Jul 2012 From: usa Posts: 20	I'd say that if you know anything, you'd be easily able to take a bear, quite safely, with a 223 autoloading rifle. Just put out a bait, be in a tree stand, waiting. That is the way that they used to take leopards and tigers. A 223 softpoint to the cranium will pop the eyeballs out of any animal smaller than an elephant. There's nothing "1 in a million" about being able to hit the brain, using a rest for the rifle, from 50 yds and less, and nothing special about being in a tree stand, 25 yds downwind from a bait. It would be a simple thing to arrange such a setup, actually.

07-15-2012, 07:18 PM	#13
money30 Registered User Joined: Jun 2012 From: VA Posts: 54	he bet his farm that he could take the great bears with .22 Hornet, and bet another $10,000 that he could do so with no more than 2 shots per animal. Hornet has HALF the power of 223 and aint available in an autorifle.