|02-10-2017, 12:17 PM||#1|
Joined: Aug 2009
Suggestions for 38+p out of a snubbie?
I'm looking for ammo that gets FBI standard penetration (12 plus inches) out of a snubbie 357 backup. I'm leaning towards 125 JHPs. The data I'm reading is 800+ fps and 14-16" in ballistic gel. Full power 357 is a bit stout even out of a good all steel snubbie.
BTW, this is also the gun I recommend to newbies so ammo that's everywhere & inexpensive like ball might be OK too.
|02-11-2017, 11:13 AM||#3|
Joined: Oct 2003
From: nashua nh
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|02-12-2017, 01:26 AM||#4|
Joined: Aug 2009
Thank you that is an excellent suggestion.
I'm going to go with it. Plenty of penetration and proven track record. I don't have to reinvent the wheel in bullet grain, bullet composition, bullet type, what if they, in a... They are available and relatively affordable.
|02-12-2017, 06:27 AM||#5|
Joined: Jun 2015
From: Girard, IL
I cast the 358429 bullet by the thousands , also the 358477, same bullet only 150 gr.. In fact just ordered another 4 cavity mold. When down to 3 or 4 coffee cans of as cast bullets, it is panic time. Loading is a fast process with the Star loader. A lot of 38spl. gets shot around here. Use the 358429 loaded with a case full of 2400 for all my 357 loads. Lyman changed their mold design on the 358477. made it a shorter nose, more like the Lee, do not like it as well so went back to older design, it just looks better. Most of my loading for upcoming summer is done. In great shape with 38 spl. 357 mag. 45acp, 45 LC, 44spl, 44 mag. only thing might need more of is 9mm but I hope not to shoot that caliber a lot.
A few months ago I ordered 3000 rounds of once fired 38spl. brass. Place acid cleaned it without decapping first, the primers were badly corroded in place, no way in hell was any press going to get them out, dozen decapping pins later it was hammer an punch time. Never again will I get cleaned brass.
|04-17-2017, 12:57 AM||#8|
Joined: Apr 2017
Ruger is making this nifty little round called the ARX that shoots a compressed copper-polymer slug complete with hydraulic "flutes" in the nose....it doesn't expand so it will likely penetrate well.
www.underwoodammo.com makes a selection of the hottest .38 Spl rounds you'll EVER dare to shoot...
Also, probably the ideal ammo to carry in ANY handgun is Liberty Civil Defense. They use a thick-base, copper bullet weighing around 50 grains, going VERY fast. On impact with tissue the jacket fragments and the base keeps going to around 10" of penetration, with 3-4 "arcs" of bullet fragment diverging to impact other tissues. Follow the link below to see the .380 version tested at Lucky Gunner. They don't have a .38 Spl load up yet.
Despite all you've read or been told, speed is paramount when it comes to ballistic damage. The proof of this is that ballistic amour is rated by VELOCITY as to what it will stop, NOT "kinetic energy."
In a mouse gun a bullet that literally "blows up" as it passes through the facial bones, or sternum, is IDEAL! You must consider YOUR probable situation when it comes time to yank the trigger...probably up close, attacker facing you, coming on hard. The human heart lies just a few inches behind the sternum - even on fat people. A frangible round will punch through the sternum with ease and then explode exactly where it needs to explode.
Shot to the face...same thing, a frangible round will pass through the rather light bony structure of the ethmoid sinus and rupture violently as it enters the lower brain cavity. It will also send out fragments that can potentially damage the spinal cord, or strike critical arteries.
Your criteria for bullet selection when carrying a mouse gun is all about the full-frontal attack.
Please understand that the FBI's entire ballistics charade is the result of a bunch of FBI agents being taken out by one guy with a Mini-14 inside 20 yards because the agents came to a RIFLE FIGHT with NO BODY ARMOUR, and NO RIFLES! So the FBI cobbled up this entire BS about minimum penetration which has PROVEN to be false by the sheer number of "perps" being shot everyday who simply will NOT go down despite multiple hits with whatEVER brand/version of subsonic/barely transonic, heavy-for-caliber, non-fragmenting bullet!
Last edited by Kilibreaux; 04-17-2017 at 01:06 AM.