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Old 11-10-2016, 02:08 PM   #1
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.40 S&W Going Away?

The last four times I have shot handgun combat courses I have only seen on .40 S&W caliber being fired, a Glock 22. The reason I noticed was their were no dummy rounds for the malfunction drills. This maybe an area thing, or happenstance, but I have actually seen more ,38's and .357's on the ranges in the last year or so than .40's.
 
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Old 11-10-2016, 02:43 PM   #2
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Seems that way around here too. Was at the range after a IDPA match, no 40 brass but a ton of 9mm and some 38 spl brass. The shops around here have a few .40s in stock but not like they used to. Only know one person with a .40 anymore an that is FordPerfect an his Beretta which he never uses but tries to shoot .40 out of a 45! I at one time thought about buying one cause I have brass, dies, molds from long ago, use those molds for 400 Corbon so no big deal there.
 
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Grief..

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. . . Only know one person with a .40 anymore an that is FordPerfect an his Beretta which he never uses . . .
My Beretta is comfortable to shoot, but I rarely take it to the range because of the grief I get from some anti-Beretta person..
 
 
Old 11-10-2016, 03:06 PM   #4
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there was never really any real reason to develop it, but it's taken the cops 25 years to figure it out.
 
Old 11-10-2016, 04:24 PM   #5
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An you would rather shoot a stock 1911 an complain than shoot a match grade 45 I built for you, an the super nice 9mm, what are you saving them for? On second thought, I will buy them from you wife by the 5gallon bucket.
 
Old 11-10-2016, 04:28 PM   #6
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Have to agree, about a useless as a 9 mak.
 
Old 11-10-2016, 04:30 PM   #7
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The sissies could not handle a 10mm loaded like the old Norma rounds so they made something new.
 
Old 11-10-2016, 04:37 PM   #8
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The 40 always struck me a lot like a 16 gauge shotgun. Plenty capable, but didn't see anything it can do that either the 12 or the 20 wouldn't work just fine for. Same with a 40; why not go either up to the bigger bullet of a 45, or up to the higher capacity of the 9 mm?

Not knocking it, like I said I think it's plenty capable. I just don't know what niche it fills any better than something else.
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:39 PM   #9
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Look at the money gunmakers made off them.
 
Old 11-10-2016, 05:14 PM   #10
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That's true; something doesn't have to be helpful or productive to be profitable. Just look at Twitter, half the stuff on the shelves at Walmart, or 90 percent of the junk on prime-time tv...
 
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I mainly like the.40 for most of the gun's ability to be converted to other calibers(.357 Sig,9x19 etc).
Admittedly,most of my hand's on experience was one of my jobs(duty guns-Glock 23's). They worked fine,but as I have stated earlier,Glocks are not my preference..not getting rid of any,but absent another" steal of a(private sales)deal", I prefer other guns.
I DO believe that the.40 does better in steel frame guns-mainly because of the wierd recoil impulse and the " too heavy" feel (to me,at least) of many polymer frame guns.
 
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look at the money gunowners wasted on them.
 
Old 11-14-2016, 08:06 PM   #13
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I have no problem with my 40S&W. I carry the full size MP and the only caliber I would pick other then a 40 is a 45 ACP. The rest are useless in my book. Yea the 9mm is built for penetration but I'd rather have knock down power. As far as 380, 357 sig.....eh just give me a 22LR I can do just as much damage.

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...As far as 380, 357 sig.....eh just give me a 22LR I can do just as much damage.
You really think so?
 
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I never said the .40 wasn't a decent round. I just never saw the need for it. As far as the "other" round's go, the caliber war will go on forever.
 
Old 01-03-2017, 09:54 AM   #16
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40 S&W was an answer too a question never asked. Should have stuck with the 10mm. Does everything the 40 does only better. The only advantage the 40 has is it can be housed in a smaller framed gun which is good for smaller hands I guess.
 
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Could never see the need to buy one!
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Old 02-10-2017, 12:05 PM   #18
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Oh! how the mighty have fallen. The 40 S&W once a contender for third most popular handgun round after 9mm & 45.
 
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40 S&W was an answer too a question never asked. Should have stuck with the 10mm. Does everything the 40 does only better. The only advantage the 40 has is it can be housed in a smaller framed gun which is good for smaller hands I guess.
10mm didn't work for LE, the FBI found that out the hard way, too much recoil and too hard to qualnwith...same problem they had the decade before with .357. 9mm was considered to have too much risk of overoenetration, and the jhp ammo in the 80s just didn't perform. 45 did, but you lost capacity. .40 Short and Weak was a good bridge. Now that 9mm props are caught up, and terminal ballistics are comparable, the pendulum is swinging back to 9mm. I didn't min carrying a G23 for the last 20 years of my career, but I can't say I miss it now either. I less caliber to have on hand.
 
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The .40 S&W is superior to the 9mm in every possible way. While this may not translate into sales numbers amongst a fickle public, facts are facts. Other than higher capacity, there is nothing the 9mm can do, the .40 cannot do better...lots better actually.

Underwoodammo makes a load that pushes a 135 grain bullet at over 600 lb-ft. of kinetic energy...this is territory the 9mm can never reach.

The only "problem" with the .40 is that most police officers aren't "shootists" they're badge-wearing bureaucrats. Handgun qualification is the lowest thing on their list of priorities when it comes to climbing the ladder. The 9mm, when chambered in a 30 ounce pistol - give or take, has damn near no recoil, and is a very sweet-shooting, high-capacity platform.

The .40 S&W is totally unforgiving in sub-25 ounce platforms for the same reason the .45 ACP is totally unforgiving...assuming of course we're talking about "real" loads.

I can go down to the store tomorrow and pick up a box of Remington 165 grain .40 S&W for little more - often less, than a box of the same brand in 9mm, and it will come leaping out the barrel with 484 lb-ft of kinetic energy...and it's not even loaded hot!

To get 484 lb-ft. from a 9mm...it is most definitely loaded hot! MOST 9mm "defensive" ammo these days is barely breaking into the 300-350 lb-ft KE level! <shameful>

It's a sad day when the entire gun world is "run" by whatever tripe squirts out the FBI's publicly-correct relations office.

The FBI maligned the 9mm because their agents screwed the pooch in a shootout.

The FBI cobbled up an entire "dogma" of BS ballistics parameters to justify choosing the "FBI Light" load, aka: .40 S&W 180 gr. at 980 fps (Exactly the same as the .45 ACP).

NOW the FBI jumps ship again to the 9mm...again, and tells everyone they have "new" information that shows the 9mm is equal in terms of stopping effectiveness. Well, I can tell anyone who cares that NO current subsonic/quasi-transonic load on the market today being sold for profit as "superior" is "the better" of ANY larger caliber....period.

Take a look at PUBLISHED...no, strike that, ACTUAL MEASURED velocities of current, high-dollar, "defensive" 9mm ammo and your FIRST thought should be, "exactly what am I wasting my money on here?"

I LIKE the 9...but only a fool would seriously argue the 9mm as superior to the .40...but then, the FBI said it, so it must be gospel....even though it's not. It's FBI BS to justify yet another high-dollar handgun purchase at taxpayer expense.

The .40 S&W is a good round...a POTENT round, and for hand loaders, an excellent source for cheap brass that uses small primers, and is capable of running several thousand psi OVER standard 9mm loads. Truth be told, all modern brass is limited only by the amount of unsupported case head that exists. My CZ-75B has ZERO exposed case head for it's .40 caliber round and I have hand loaded rounds making 600 lb-ft of KE for it with no problem. Ain't no "nine" gonna do that....

A lot of 10mm guys hand load .40 S&W brass to 10mm spec by seating the bullet to a 10mm C.O.A.L. and in fact the .40 case is STRONGER than the 10mm case because it uses a small primer!

Sure I see where public sentiment is going...and when the FBI farts everybody takes a good whiff, but the FACT is, the .40, howEVER it got on this planet, is a better round than the 9mm. Wait a few years and watch the sudden "herd-shift" back to the .40 when people start to "re-discover" it.
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