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Old 10-05-2016, 08:29 AM   #1
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why settle for larger, heavier gun, less power?

that's retarded. a mak offers 200 ft lbs and no expansion. for the same size and weight as a mak, you can have a .45, and use 45 super Mag Safe stuff in it, as in 100 grs at 1800 fps, 700 ft lbs. sure, there's an 18 oz, alloy version of the mak, but it's still 6.7" long. If you handload for the locked breech .32 keltec, you can have 200 ft lbs and expansion. with a gun that's 2" shorter a full inch less tall. and weighing just 7 ozs. THAT is enough smaller and lighter to mean something. It can be used in a wrist holster, or worn as a neck pendant. you're not doing either of those things with an alloy makarov.

so either go with the .32 keltec or the 3" 1911, cause the mak is a silly half assed, cheapskate sort of choice. The only pocket it might work in is one in a heavy winter coat.
 
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Old 10-05-2016, 09:04 AM   #2
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Once again, no.

I have what certainly qualifies as a "micro" .45; a 3 1/8" Detonics Combat Master. I have a bulgarian makarov. I also have a P-64; the "other" makarov.

Detonics is 30.85 oz empty and 37.29 loaded.
Bulgy Mak is 23.76 empty and 28.28 loaded; roughly half a pound lighter.
The P-64 is 19.65 empty and 23.77 loaded; nearly three-quarters of a pound lighter.

(Fwiw, both mak gun weights are with 115-grain JHP's, the heaviest I'm aware of; so no pro-mak bias or favoritism there.)

Put another way, a person could carry a loaded P-64 AND a loaded .380, for the same weight as the loaded detonics. I love the little detonics and will never part with it; but reality is what it is.

This is a P-64 in 9x18 Makarov, side-by-side with a PPK; which is the smallest gun I'm aware of that walther makes in 32acp.


Show me where I can find a 19-ounce 1911 the size of a PPK, in .45acp, and I'll buy one today; angry wife notwithstanding.
 
Old 10-05-2016, 09:26 AM   #3
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I like the 9x19,.40 ,.357 Sig and .45 ACP in full sized guns. Again,even a skinny guy like me has no trouble CC'ing them.
In a smaller gun where many would opt for a .380, I know from experience that the 9x18 more than suffices.
Much of the commercial/factory ammo is a bit downloaded. Some is not. And,handloading is by no means impossible with the cartridge.
JMD,if ever you can see about a restoration of rights(may I recommend collateralconsequences.com as a resource?) I would be more than happy to see you resuming some of your activities.
For now,simply accept that not everyone achieve the same objective in exactly the same way.
 
 
Old 10-05-2016, 10:34 AM   #4
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[QUOTE=justme;256609, cause the mak is a silly half assed, cheapskate sort of choice. The only pocket it might work in is one in a heavy winter coat.[/QUOTE]I bet that actually you would give a dozen welfare checks to be able to own and carry a Makarov or P-64.
 
Old 10-05-2016, 11:22 AM   #5
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I bet that actually you would give a dozen welfare checks to be able to own and carry a Makarov or P-64.
Yes, but only short term I suspect.

I figure it would soon be traded for more of the hypnotic drugs he says are his "lifesaver".
 
Old 10-05-2016, 04:50 PM   #6
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Oh, believe me, I'm well aware of all the inferior, un-informed "choices' people make about guns.
 
Old 10-05-2016, 05:00 PM   #7
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But you didn't answer the question. Where can I get a .45 the size and weight of my P-64 Mak?


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Old 10-10-2016, 07:21 AM   #8
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And once again, when asked a simple question our internet desperado employs his default "run & hide" tactic.
 
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