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Old 10-01-2016, 04:44 PM   #1
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makarov might as well be a .22lr

something reliable and fair sized, like Woodsman or a Beretta M70. 1/2 ammo price means twice as much practice, and the .22 is so tame that airsoft practice really does = .22 skill. ESPECIALLY silenced .22 skill.

The silenced .22 is SO easy to use that my gal Pam M, in Spld, first time she ever held a gun, no pellet gun practice no airsoft practice, one handed nra style, in Bill P's basement, poor lighting, iron sighted, silenced Ruger std model, put 6 rds under a dime, at 5 yds, lowering her arm for each shot and a few dryfire snaps before the live fire. VERY few people with 1000's of rds fired can do that. I'd have to be having a REALLY fine day to average 'that sort of group for several tries, under those conditions, with an unsuppressed 22 and ear muffs.

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Old 10-01-2016, 04:49 PM   #2
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same is true of 380 jhps or flat points, or .38 wadcutters or lrn 38's, or 9mm ball. There just aint much effect there, folks. .45 ball is only a little bit more effective on critters. I"m not kidding or bsing. I've shot dozens of animals with each. Bass man was there for some of them and people we both know (Jerry F, John R. John H, Kay A, Pam, etc,) were there for a lot more of them, especially John.
 
Old 10-01-2016, 05:11 PM   #3
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If sticking with over-the-counter ammo (which most people are simply going to do), the difference in most concealable-handgun calibers is fairly narrow nowadays. As I mentioned in the other thread, if I stick with standard-pressure ammo in both guns, my little ppk-sized 9x18 puts out 93% of the muzzle energy that my much-loved Detonics .45 does. Offering the same capacity, weighing nearly 3/4 pound less, and being the size of a little ppk .380, giving up just 7% muzzle energy doesn't seem like a massive loss.
 
 
Old 10-01-2016, 05:33 PM   #4
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A lot of people think that the P64 has a lot of recoil. It DOES recoil more than a Makarov,but less than an alloy framed gun like the PA63. I never really noticed any discomfort from recoil;but I consider that a result of hand shape. I DID resprung everything in 9x18(heavier recoil springs,lighter mainspring&hammer spring in the P64;ugh it WAS not fun) and I consider the extra$20 or so money well spent.
Shootable,durable and accurate.
Again- not a .357 or a hot loaded.38 Super. But for their role? Stopping and dropping problem people? At the very least," good enough for the job at hand".
Honestly, I just seem to have the right " handprint" as it relates to the Eastern Bloc stuff.Must've been a Zek or a Raskolnik in another incarnation.
 
Old 10-01-2016, 09:37 PM   #5
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Shootable,durable and accurate.
Again- not a .357 or a hot loaded.38 Super. But for their role? Stopping and dropping problem people? At the very least," good enough for the job at hand."
All true, but it might as well be a rimfire. That has been decreed; by the non-shooting self-described 'gun guru'. (No, really. That was the label he chose for himself in his failed attempt at running a gun-related website - www.gun_guru.com way back when...)

A gun forum, run by a non-shooter. Have to admit it's a creative marketing concept.

You ARE a non-shooter, aren't you Gunchild..?
 
Old 10-02-2016, 01:51 PM   #6
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I can't really respect an opinion based on internet reading and chatter. How can actual owner's and shooter's be so wrong and a non-shooter who has never even handled a Makarov or experienced the 9X18MM cartridge, be so right? To show I'm not completely biased, the Makarov ( I have East German., Russian, and Bulgarian Models and CZ 82's), and consider them all adequate combat pistol's. I totally hated the 2 P-64's I had. Making statement's like the OP's show's a real lack of knowledge about handgun's and modern ammunition.
 
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