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Old 09-21-2016, 08:47 AM   #21
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you are just scared to enter man vs man airsoft matches, cause you know you'd get your butt handed to you. Those things sting, at 300 fps from gas guns. Best have a jacket, in addition to head and throat protection.
 
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Old 09-21-2016, 09:39 AM   #22
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you are just scared to enter man vs man airsoft matches, cause you know you'd get your butt handed to you. Those things sting, at 300 fps from gas guns. Best have a jacket, in addition to head and throat protection.
What has this got to do with .22 handguns?
 
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you are just scared to enter man vs man airsoft matches, cause you know you'd get your butt handed to you. Those things sting, at 300 fps from gas guns. Best have a jacket, in addition to head and throat protection.
Who is? If you mean me, I've posted in the past about volunteering at the Direct Action Resource Center in central arkansas, where they train military units, swat units, all kind of people.

Basically, they used us volunteers to be the 'bad guys' for force-on-force training; sometimes bank robbers, sometimes terrorists, all kinds of scenarios. We didn't use airsoft, we used simunition, fired from actual guns just with uppers swapped. And it hits much harder than airsoft; I've done both. My first night there, I didn't wear a cup because a guy from another department who volunteered there told me it was "like paintball". Well, he was wrong. I took a full-auto burst from an M4 to the nads and was literally bleeding from my testicles that night from the blunt trauma of it. That's a whole new kind of "ouch" right there.

I've gone up against US military units (both army and air force), I've gone up against police swat teams, I've gone up against GIGN, GSG-9, and two weekends against NNSA teams. Sometimes we (the "bad guys") won, sometimes we were captured, and sometimes we were killed. I learned a LOT of lessons at that place and it got me over my own thoughts of infallibility or immortality. The NNSA teams were by FAR the baddest/best I've ever seen in that kind of environment. They're horrifyingly efficient. Being in law enforcement in a rural area, and being frankly a semi-freakish, farm-boy strong, big oaf, it's easy to start thinking you're Billy Badass; and those guys taught me real quick that being big & strong just made me a big target. Not only did I never beat them, I never survived an engagement with them. It got to the point where (once my ego got tamed), my goal was simply to survive longer than I did last time.

https://www.facebook.com/DirectActionResouceCenter

(Rich M. on that video is the owner; mostly everyone called him Ash. He's put on a bunch of weigh now; when I knew him, he was thin and snake-like. At around 3:30 in the video, it shows what simunition does when it hits; and I took a burst of that to the nads. Sucked.)

That's been some years ago now, but using your posts as our benchmark, past accomplishments are as valid as current ones, right?

Truthfully, I know that's not the case, and suspect that you're right - that going against those teams at my age, I'd almost certainly get my butt handed to me. I can accept that because I accept that I'm not as fast as when I was young. Grownups can accept that gracefully.

What real-life, spec-ops teams have you gone up against? I've gone up against many; winning some and losing more.
 
 
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you aint the one saying airsoft is just kid stuff. The ignorant ones say that.
 
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Airsoft is the least beneficial of all training types. Airguns, BB and .177 pellet guns are better, but will not replace the modest .22 when it comes to real firearms training. Airsoft can help train Children in what NOT to do with a firearm. Dueling with airsoft is really not effective. Simunitions with real guns is without a doubt the most realistic training man to man that I have ever participated in. S&W 459's ( I think) were used in a Federal Training Center with doorway's, bathrooms, stairs, outdoors and in. Even with protective gear your REALLY didn't want to get shot. I took a round in the helmet that felt like a punch. One guy took a round between his glove and sleeve an had a pretty good bleeding gouge. No, if you want realistic dueling you can start with paintball, but real good stuff is Simunitions. It's also very expensive.
 
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