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Old 11-01-2016, 02:14 PM   #1
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EVO, and the type

I was wondering about the accuracy and usefulness of these type weapons. I held CZ's EVO model and couldn't see a place for it in my armory. I mean it's little brother, the CZ75, is good to past 25 yards and a folding stock carbine is good from there to 400 at least, so why? I don't pretend to know everything, so maybe I'm missing something. I know the AK pistol knock offs are very popular, and the salesman (Large Grain of Salt) said the EVO's are going like their going to outlaw them tomorrow.
 
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Old 11-01-2016, 03:52 PM   #2
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what folder do you "think" is good to 400 yds? If it aint in 223, it aint.
 
Old 11-01-2016, 04:30 PM   #3
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The .308 Saiga folding stock and the AR platform in 6.8 would be more than adequate to 400 yards, anyway the post was about the EVO and the like.

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Old 11-02-2016, 01:15 PM   #4
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Ö so why?...
I never got them either. They have a huge following, but I donít know what they do even as well as a regular pistol or carbine, much less do better than either of them. If there were no class-III paperwork to worry about and you could easily & cheaply turn it into an SBR, then I can kind of see it as an intermediate PDW kind of thing ó something between a pistol and a more substantial carbine.

But to have the bulk of an SBR without the added stability and range of an SBR, just seems like the worst of both worlds to me personally.
 
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I'm not knocking anyone's choice (a lot of people don't understand my C&R fixation), but false butt stocks strapped to the forearm and slings that extend for stability strike me as more trouble than a regular folding stock would be. Slung around the neck and carried across the chest is surely slower than a handgun draw or a Carbine carried muzzle down with the firing hand on the pistol grip.
 
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The EVO and the MPX available for purchase are civilian sale-capable variants of military weapons, pure and simple. The MPX was a direct reply to an outstanding solicitation, and it has done very well and even been modified into new forms entirely outside the purview of general sales on behalf of co-development with .mil end users and their design objective list. The EVO shared similar but more agency and security based demands. They are both meant to be automatic and stocked, and the MPX was built from the ground up with a suppressor being part of the package (and I'm not talking about Sig's "muzzle brake" shenanigans).

There is basically no point other than "cuz I feel like it" to have either the EVO or the MPX in a non SBR or postie format. Both are very enjoyable to shoot and fast to manipulate in their intended, stocked configuration. The MPX is an absolute slick beast but there are some kinks being worked out. EVO is built a bit more like a tank in certain ways.
 
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Pistol caliber automatics and weapons of the type in question are more desirable in various ways outside of the square range and in confined spaced (for civilian with an SBR configuration of such a weapon using it for home defense included). The most pressing way I can think of is how the short 5.56's will re-arrange your ENT tubing once you set them off inside a room or vehicle without running suppressed (consuming some of the benefit achieved by going short). Even suppressed there is more gas and SPL (both obstructing senses) with a rifle cartridge gun than a pistol cartridge gun.

Niche stuff, but also reasonable niches.
 
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10.5" barreled 223 AR, with a proper silencer, you can fire it out of the back of a mini van, without ear protection, sitting with your back against the front seat, rear seats removed, hatchback open. If you try the same with a .22lr rifle, you'll regret it. :-) the pistol caliber carbine, IF it's a $200, used HiPoint, with a laser, is a good choice for somebody who wont practice enough to be any good with anything. It's mild mannered enough that .22lr practice really DOES equal 9mm CARBINE skill, and with the 100 gr corbon attaining 1600+ fps, it strikes a serious blow, almost 600 ft lbs of power.

However, for most people, If they wont build real skill with a pistol, then they might as well just settle for a 1022 ruger, or better yet, a Smith and Wesson M15 .22lr AR. Use stinger CCI hp's in it, and try for head hits. PROPER airsoft practice suffices to make you pretty good with a .22 autorifle. So you have to make very few trips to the range, fire very few .22's. You'll have to spend about $250 on such an airsoft, which would buy a lot of .22's, but it wont pay for many 40 mile (one-way) trips to where you can do really fast stuff with the .22 (and not have somebody giving you a lot of crap about having done so).

It costs about 50c per mile, counting gas, insurance, wear and tear, etc, so such a trip thus actually costs you $40, on top of the .22 ammo costs. The M15 will probably cost you $250 on top of the cost of a used 1022, but being able to practice in garage or basement, one handed, or using a light, vs another man with an airsoft, using cover, on moving targets, from either shoulder, on tossed up soda cans, etc, with a gun that has the same "feel" as your 22 quickly pays for the diff in price. dunno of any airsoft varients of 1022, just of the AR.

Saving 10c per shot, airsoft vs .22lr ammo, $500 is just 5000 rds, and that's just 6 months of proper rifle practice, or the acquisition of real ability in the first place ( which takes 2 months of all your spare time to include paying a decent coach to fix your errors.

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Old 11-05-2016, 08:45 AM   #9
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they might as well just settle for a 1022 ruger, or better yet, a Smith and Wesson M15 .22lr AR.
Melvin, have you ever tried to run Stingers through a wide variety of .22 conversion kits for the AR? More often than not you will be unsuccessful due to chamber depth. Having a Stinger go off before the action is fully closed, is not my idea of a successful day at the range.
 
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