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Old 08-12-2004, 01:08 PM   #1
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Suppressor cutaway pic

Came across this cutaway picture of a suppressor, showing baffle configuration. Lots of dead-end "paths" for the gases to take; should be a pretty effective design, for what appears to be a sealed, no-maintenance unit.

Don't know manufacturer or even country of origin; it's called the "Z Jet" suppressor, if anyone's familiar with it.
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Old 08-12-2004, 01:20 PM   #2
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phenolic resin?
 
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Don't know. Just assumed it was aluminum or some other metal. Don't even know the origin of the picture.
 
Old 08-12-2004, 02:31 PM   #4
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John, I've seen that photo before along with a description - just can't remember where. Its US made and the baffles are machined from (stainless?) steel, I believe. Real good craftsmanship that beats hell out of formed wire baffles.

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Old 08-12-2004, 03:02 PM   #5
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Not to be a doubting thomas(really) but that really looks like it's an injection molded piece.I don't recall the temps at which p.resin melts but ...WOW.Think a sec...if a suppressor could be injection molded(& why not really)then it seems like the price would/could be quite reasonable for a high quality piece.
 
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For that matter (and this is something for GBullet) why couldn't they be made out of ceramic if the material wouldn't shatter.

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Old 08-12-2004, 03:40 PM   #7
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A few years back, I remember that a composite of aluminum and ceramic was supposed to be the wave of the future.

Basically you took the ceramic and superheated it with a block of aluminum. The aluminum would melt and be drawn into the spaces within the ceramic.

this created an alloy with the strength of ceramic without the fragility.

The hoopla seems to have faded and I have not heard much along these lines in a long time...

 
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if u can't GET it, it might as well never have been made.
 
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If that is the can I'm thinking of, you can get them. They run about $500 if I remember correctly. Unfortunately, that pic is a 50% cut away. It'd be better if it was 1/3rd cut away so you get a better idea of how the baffles work.

I've got a collection of 1/3rd cut away suppressors I use for training. One day, I should get pics of them and post them. They are very educational.

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Old 10-12-2005, 12:56 PM   #10
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jet-z suppressor

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Came across this cutaway picture of a suppressor, showing baffle configuration. Lots of dead-end "paths" for the gases to take; should be a pretty effective design, for what appears to be a sealed, no-maintenance unit.

Don't know manufacturer or even country of origin; it's called the "Z Jet" suppressor, if anyone's familiar with it.
jet-z suppressor is one of best suppressors-specially in 308 & 5.56 cal. no aluminium on it ,all stainless steel into weld construction here new ase ultra a little improved 5.56 Compact cqb can. sabre defense is working on jet-z under license. every baffle is made on five welded pieces together,a very complicated & efective system on asault rifles.

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jet-z suppressor

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Came across this cutaway picture of a suppressor, showing baffle configuration. Lots of dead-end "paths" for the gases to take; should be a pretty effective design, for what appears to be a sealed, no-maintenance unit.

Don't know manufacturer or even country of origin; it's called the "Z Jet" suppressor, if anyone's familiar with it.
jet-z suppressor is one of best suppressors-specially in 308 & 5.56 cal. no aluminium on it ,all stainless steel into weld construction here new ase ultra a little impruved 5.56 Compact cqb can. sabre defense is working on jet-z under license. every baffle is made on five welded pieces together,a very complicated & efective system on full-auto rifles.
 
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jet-z

jet-z suppressor comes from finland,vaime and reflex suppressor too,and it's licensed in canada too. by the way someone can discript SRT-AZTECH BAFFLE? ANY INFO PIC.I CAN CHANGE INFO ,I GOT LOTS OF INFO ON MOST MODERN CURRENT SUPPRESSORS, i got lots of internal pics too.
 
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here ase-ultra 22lr

no jet-z baffles on it good suppression on 22 ruger pistol about 40db reduction
 
Old 10-12-2005, 01:40 PM   #14
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i think that's cool guys

90 rounds full-auto, this is what i call a ''HOT CAN''
 
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I would love to see more pics, especially of the cutaways.

Thanks Dardani.

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I want to see Ron Popiel make a cooker that'll attach on to a suppressor.

Full auto fire 100 rounds=cook an omlete.
Shoot 500 & you can make lasagna!

 
Old 10-12-2005, 03:29 PM   #17
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thanks for the great pics

if anyone has any more (especially the 1/3 cutaways) I'm really interested
 
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BTW... wouldn't the large gaps in between the baffles and where the barrel would be if it were extended dramatically increase the potential for baffle strike while rapid firing?
 
Old 10-12-2005, 03:35 PM   #19
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here is a cutaway of an MP5SD
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Old 10-13-2005, 07:51 AM   #20
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here is a cutaway of an MP5SD
That's the Second Gen baffle arrangement. The first gen was crappy. The latest is a machined baffle assembly.

I've got a Second Gen arrangement on mine and personally, I think it's the best of the series.

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Old 10-13-2005, 12:16 PM   #21
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the best mp5sd

the best mp5 suppression module is knight's armament (botom) second the tests,about 40+ db reduction ,crimped cone baffle used on it developed by doug olson,is one of the most advanced baffle system,B&T is using a machined version in all b&t silencers,only in integral a.international and type-g suppressor is used original version of slanted sidewall baffle becouse it works good on high velocity gases.
 
Old 10-13-2005, 12:21 PM   #22
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top-crimped cone bottom-original two stage slanted baffle

the original,GEMTECH,AAC, have done modifications on their suppressors line,from 22 to 45.i have pics and drawings on their modifications.
 
Old 10-13-2005, 12:43 PM   #23
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cutaways

someone any news on aztech please, i can not post every thing on the net , is not good for the current companies, i like suppressors but i respect their work too. i would say pm is good thing. some things can be showed,some no, is kind of 'magic-box', if everyone see the trick no one ''applause'' on it.
 
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I can't help you with aztech, but regarding the cutaways, isn't all of that information available when they file a patent for their work?

here is an example of B&Ts:

http://ccfa.com/Pages/Images/Suppres...ent-2-Page.gif
 
Old 10-13-2005, 01:47 PM   #25
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the patent may come out mayba after 15 years,as long as they pay for it,the b&t patent on ccf page is not used on their suppressors,actually that is a simple conventional drawing with conical baffles, started by Wolf in Germany and used in first generation of mp5sd original first design,look silencer history and performance vol-1.i am not asking for aztech patent,but srt comanche can be apart for cleaning.is not necesary to have a really cutaway pic,is enought a pic on the first baffle.i i'll payback with gemtech trinity,swr,or aac,or something else.always on pm.
 
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the best mp5 suppression module is knight's armament (botom) second the tests,about 40+ db reduction ,crimped cone baffle used on it developed by doug olson,is one of the most advanced baffle system,B&T is using a machined version in all b&t silencers,only in integral a.international and type-g suppressor is used original version of slanted sidewall baffle becouse it works good on high velocity gases.
I refuse to touch anything made by Knights. They are a bunch of crooks. We signed a contract with them for 7 SR-25T rifles and put $500 down per gun. When the rifles weren't delivered on time, we called and were told by Reed Knight that he wasn't going to honor the contract because he was getting $5k for this particular gun and our contract was for $3500 per gun. It took us over a year and a half to get our deposits back and the email correspondance sent to us by Knights was repulsive and uncalled for.

Also, I heard last night that SST out of Switzerland won the contract with HK for the suppressors on the MP5SD... looks like they are putting their T12 baffles in them now... that should be a VERY quiet setup. Supposedly, they will begin doing the work in March.

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knight's a

yes Rock i have heard such of things about knight that's true,you are right, i just wrote the data results about crimped cone on suppressor design,Doug Olsen has nothing to do with selling stuff, that's Reed job.i now many people that are bored on knight prices,time pending, ect.ect. all this ''really sucks'' yes you told me once about sst swiss, it's part of B&T or another co. i'm waiting to see product tests, what i know ccf doesn't publish stupid results on ccf site, such of 40db+ or something like that,and their products are really nice.what about my pm Rock? can you send me some thundertrap mayba?
 
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Yeah, I've been sidetracked with family stuff... new baby and all taking up most of my time... I just need to find the drawings for you.

Mike
 
Old 10-16-2005, 12:29 PM   #29
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congratulations

congratulations man,is a boy or a girl? i wish the best for her/him,and lots of luck in her/him life.
 
Old 10-17-2005, 05:32 AM   #30
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Thanks bro,

It's a little girl. She's a doll too... only bad thing is that she has my attitude...LOL

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