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Old 06-23-2016, 07:13 PM   #1
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STILL no better belt gun than an alloy commander

and the danged thing came out in the 50's. They've added double stack mags and different safeties and trigger pulls and that's IT, basically. Big advances, gun industry. whoopeeDOOP.
 
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Old 06-23-2016, 07:39 PM   #2
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Personally, I prefer my Combat Commanders;

 
Old 06-24-2016, 05:29 AM   #3
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Had or have commanders is all flavors.
Favorite right now is a modified Wiley Clapp or one of the other several.
Best out of the box shooter believe it or not is a Rock Island Officer size. 30 rounds at 25 yards, one ragged hole an that was with 230 WW ball, had to use that in concealed carry class. Only box of factory krap I ever bought! Except 22
 
 
Old 06-24-2016, 05:48 AM   #4
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I love my 1911's, and have them in single-stack, double-stack, .45acp, 9mm, barrel lengths from 5 inches down to 3 1/8 inches, and magazine capacities from 6 rounds to 17 rounds. Most of the trophies I've won, I've won with 1911 pistols.

But for me for the last three years or so, the 9mm M&P (either full-size or compact) with a trigger job has taken its place as my primary belt gun. It's lighter weight, lower maintenance, has the same 1911-style safety that I like, darn near the same trigger (yes, really), and the capacity of the wide-body 1911 without anywhere near the bulk of it. Grip is right at the same thickness of the single-stack 1911 (yes, really), while offering the capacity of a double-stack gun. While I'm by no means a world-class shooter, the videos I posted of shooting 12" plates at 35 feet with split times as low as 0.18 seconds, were with the M&P; and for me personally the 9mm (if loaded well) is a perfectly adequate defensive caliber.

For me personally, as much as I like the 1911 - and I just picked up another 1911 this week - the M&P, again with a trigger job, has become the perfect combination of the 1911's best attributes (grip angle, trigger pull and safety manipulation) and the glock's best attributes (light weight, low maintenance, and simple mechanical internals).

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Old 06-24-2016, 06:28 AM   #5
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Bad thing about those S&W, they are butt ugly! Best looking Smith auto ever made was the model 39. Always said Smith should have stuck to revolvers an left the autos to COLT!
 
Old 06-24-2016, 06:30 AM   #6
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How could you mention the G word in the same paragraph as Smith!
 
Old 06-24-2016, 06:32 AM   #7
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Just ordered another Smith. Model 27 Classic with 6in. barrel.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 06:49 AM   #8
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I've owned 2 S&W M39's in years gone by and I could never get it to feel comfortable in my hands. The S&W M59 I once owned turned me off alloy handguns completely.
 
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That 59 was garbage. IL State Police went from 39 to 59, dumped them fast. Backwards safety might of had something to do with it.
 
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Of all the guns I have owned from 1955 to this day. I remember the serial number of the first 39 I had in the mid to late 70s. Hate to admit this but can also remember serial of the first an only Glock I ever had, it was #30, one of the first ones in this country. Would be a collectors item today if made out of real material.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 08:10 AM   #11
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I had a 5906, bought mainly because it was a deal ($289 iirc), it was nothing out-of-pocket since the gunshop owed us money, and I already had a bunch of the 59-series magazines on hand for my Camp-9 carbine. Functionally it was a reliable gun, but it was the most uncomfortable pistol I think I've ever owned. One of my sons liked it and so he adopted it a few years ago along with a handful of my magazines.

I never liked that safety style as well, but a lot of guns (and a lot of people) use them, so somebody must like it.
 
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Bad thing about those S&W, they are butt ugly! Best looking Smith auto ever made was the model 39. Always said Smith should have stuck to revolvers an left the autos to COLT!
Funny you put it that way. For a long time, my standard line to people was "I like smith revolvers and colt autos". That died when colt came out with their Double Eagle and American 2000 abominations.



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How could you mention the G word in the same paragraph as Smith!
To me, a glock is the AK of the handgun world. They're ugly, they're not comfortable (to me personally at least); they manage to be clunky-looking & clunky-feeling at the same time. But like the AK, they're generally very reliable, tolerant of lax maintenance, and simple to teach.

Goes back to another of my standard lines - the glock is the AK of the pistol world, and the AR is the 1911 of the rifle world. I prefer AR's and 1911's, but AK's and glocks are functionally fine; regardless of my personal preferences.

I switched from 1911 to glock as my main carry gun for on-duty use back with the sheriff's dept in 1999, for completely objective reasons. Higher capacity, lower weight, and more tolerance of dust, dirt, rain, etc when exposed to the elements as uniformed carry entails. I came to appreciate the glock, but never really liked it. The grip angle is wrong for me, and the god-awful trigger can only be described as "sproingy". But it worked.

About 3-4 years ago I tried my first M&P (version with the 1911-style safety), and liked it other than the factory trigger. Had an apex trigger put in it and it immediately became my new primary for full-size use. Liked it so well I picked up a compact version soon after; and I've since added another full size and a C.O.R.E. compensated target version. To answer the oft-asked "which one" question, if I knew I was going to need a handgun for defensive use, it would absolutely be my full-size 9mm M&P.

All that to say, that's how I can put Smith and Glock in the same sentence. Smith took the AK-simplicity of the glock and combined it with the ergonomics of the 1911, and that's a good thing. Again - other than the factory trigger. M&P factory triggers are better than glock triggers imo (and I have four of each, and still hate glock triggers), but even though they're better than glock, they're still not particularly good.



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Just ordered another Smith. Model 27 Classic with 6in. barrel.
I've always loved N-frame and L-frame smiths, especially with 4"-5" barrels. They just feel right.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 10:45 AM   #13
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M39 had same safety as M59, in fact, the slide groups would interchange on the frames, IIRC. M39 had a helluva steep feed ramp and too much extractor engagement, same as the early Ruger polymer 9's. M39 was pretty, but I never did care for the DASA setup very awkward safety manipulation, etc.
 
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