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Old 05-12-2016, 05:47 PM   #1
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no shooting standard is fast enough

all you can do is be the fastest there IS. and for nearly everyone, getting to be 90% as fast as the fastest is all that's practical to achieve. But airsoft or dryfire are basically free practice. So the only reason you don't have a blindingly fast draw and hit is, you're too lazy to work on it.

EVERY 1/4 second allows EACH enemy to shoot/stab/slash/club you another time, with EACH hand. nobody can do much in 1/4 second, unless you're already firing, that is. but you can easily be 2x as fast as the average cop. Which still won't be all that fast. Pathetic, but true. lots of people "think" that a 3 second bill drill (react, draw and hit 6x, 7 yds) is pretty good, , until they see it done in 1.5 seconds (repeatedly) :-)

fortunately, I started "fast draw" practice, to include ccw, with a KNIFE, at age 12, to include throwing it, and drawing the other knife. I got a non functional CO2 Hawes BB "revolver" at age 13 and worked on fast draw with it until I got my first guns, age 16. thousands of hours of dryfire and draw practice over the years.

my fastest draw and hit, CCW, 10" gong at 10 ft, has been .87 second. speed rig, .62 second, hands at sides start for both. With an openly worn concealable rig, .71 second. All done with a 1911. Yes, I can still sometimes beat the coin-drop from ccw, to a one handed point shot hit at arm's-length, and i can almost always beat it, while going to weaver from an openly worn rig. When you've done something literally a million x, doing it again is not a big deal, folks. For those who haven't done it even 100k times, sure, they still need some practice. :-)

the reason that matches test much more than fast draw is, if all you had was CCW leatherslaps, not .05 second would separate the top 20 guys at the US nationals. the upper limits of human performance are just that. They can only be slightly improved, now and then, by somebody having a very good day

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Old 05-13-2016, 02:03 AM   #2
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I'd rather use a real firearm, not something used for play time!
 
Old 05-13-2016, 08:59 AM   #3
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All this talk of blinding speed is fine if you can hit anything. You can draw and shoot your bb gun until your hands bleed, then completely miss a threat at 50 feet with a firearm. Your practicing with no noise, no recoil, different weight, different trigger pull, and the difference between launching a bb 20 feet or a bullet that travels 1,000 yards.
 
 
Old 05-14-2016, 05:03 PM   #4
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go ahead and be just as slow at 10 ft as you are at 50 ft, and SEE if you even get to fire a shot, dummie. Civilian self defense is almost always inside 30 ft, 90% are inside 5 yds, and most of it is within 10 ft, and most of it, no shot need be fired AT ALL, IF you get that gun pointed at the punk fast enough. I had a guy charge around a door/corner inside of a house, with a big cresent wrench and come for me. I had a 1911 chamber empty, but cocked and locked (cause I'd constatly draw, dryfire, etc, as a pass time) I drew, got it cycled, got a Weaver and he was STILL far enough away for him to see it was a losing proposition and stop in his tracks. I yelled drop it, he did, I told him to give me the keys, he did, and then he ran out of the front of the house. :-) It was HIS house, and I'd come thru the window, cause he had MY keys and was pretending to be unable to hear me beating on the door, He'd just come home 15 seconds before I was knocking on the door. he'd laid on the couch and pretended that he couldn't hear me 10 ft away. I could look thru the window and see him, ferchrissakes. NO way that was gonna fly. One more step, and I'd have lit him up, and 1/2 second slower, I'd have been clubbed down. Speed DOES matter. I've had several other such occasions. you go ahead and be slow. Anyone who's serious about self defense knows that you're fos.
 
Old 05-16-2016, 08:21 AM   #5
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...my fastest draw and hit, CCW, 10" gong at 10 ft, has been .87 second. speed rig, .62 second, hands at sides start for both. With an openly worn concealable rig, .71 second.

...I can still sometimes beat the coin-drop from ccw, to a one handed point shot hit at arm's-length, and i can almost always beat it, while going to weaver from an openly worn rig.
Sounds cool. Would love to see it, even with airsoft or pellet gun or such.
 
Old 05-16-2016, 08:33 AM   #6
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Airsoft, isn't that for children? Geez Melvin my 12 year old nephew even competes with a .38 Spl & 12 gauge. He doesn't pretend either!

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