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Old 06-01-2016, 01:42 PM   #1
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non autos do nothing(practical) that autos wont

and they can;t touch the auto for repeat hit speed, so why bother with non-autos? Doesn't make any sense, especially when the sights, safety, trigger, stock designs, manual of arms are so different. Does shooting a bolt action help you be fast with pump or lever action? of course not. If you can't discipline yourself to not spray and pray with an auto, what's that say about YOU, hmm?
 
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Old 06-01-2016, 02:27 PM   #2
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Because they are fun! Melvin you really have problems with that word don't you? In the late '80's I used to shoot with the Canadian National IPSC Revolver Champion (may he rest in peace) great gentleman and could hold is own against shooters with semi autos.

Tell this guy revolvers are obsolete
 
Old 06-01-2016, 03:07 PM   #3
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They're great for shooting at extremely long distances for a myriad of reasons that would seem trivial on their own singular accords. They also remove a plethora of failure modes.

If you can determine windage to the minimum of a meaningful degree, 300 WSM, .260 Rem, 6.5-284, 300 WM, 338 LM can all hit out to 800 yards with a single battle zero and a modicum of skill.
 
 
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223 autos manage that, and 300 BAR does so with ease.
 
Old 06-02-2016, 06:51 AM   #5
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I dunno. I used to pack a 5.5 inch Redhawk when backpacking... And that .45ACP/.45 Colt Redhawk looks useful-even with the short (4.2 inch)barrel.
I prefer autos as well myself-I just don't discount the utility of other weapons as well. Hell,I shoot Mosin Nagants with iron sights at long range. I'm not Vasily Zaitzev or Simo Hayak;but I'm OK and I have fun when I do.
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:32 AM   #6
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No 5.56 can hit a profile target with a single zero from 0-800 yards, and all available projectiles are very susceptible to extreme deviation in converging, high speed partial value feature, or upwelling winds.

BAR quality is all over the place, and are self destructive if one suppresses them.
 
Old 06-02-2016, 11:33 AM   #7
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non autos do nothing(practical) that autos wont and they can;t touch the auto for repeat hit speed, so why bother with non-autos?...
For recreation or for all kinds of reasons. In town and most typical days, I definitely prefer an auto. My centerfire autos tend to be defensive in nature, and so are in medium calibers; 9mm & 45acp mostly. In the woods - where threats are much more likely to be smaller in number but individually much tougher - I prefer a heavier caliber than 9mm; and I also prefer carrying an uncocked handgun rather than a cocked one when in more rough/rural settings like that, which rules out my 45acp's. Basically, I don't have any DA autos in anything bigger than 9mm, and I simply want more power than 9mm on tap when out in the woods.

Short version - if I want a heavier caliber than 9mm, in a gun that's uncocked yet ready to fire, my only options (short of buying another gun) are revolvers.
 
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so what? the same rangefinder that tells you where to hold your silly bolt action can tell you how many clicks to move your 223's scope. besides, there's nothing at all practical about firing at such ranges.
 
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there's nothing at all practical about firing at such ranges.
Again you try to impose your fantasy on reality, there could be circumstances in a self defense situation where taking a target at longer range is safer for you than waiting for them to move within handgun range. You have to think outside the box Melvin.
 
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the .50 barrett auto can do far more than the other caliber bolt actions, actually. So once again, why put yourself at risk by not having rapidfire? if you're so safe as to feel ok with the bolt action, why fire at all?
 
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Think outside the box Melvin, you cannot always dictate the circumstances of possible later life events. You have no versatility or flexibility regarding various terrain, you may as well be living in a city of 2 million plus, cause that's what you are geared for. On the other hand you could then dig your spider hole in your back yard!
 
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so what? the same rangefinder that tells you where to hold your silly bolt action can tell you how many clicks to move your 223's scope. besides, there's nothing at all practical about firing at such ranges.
One doesn't even have to adjust the reticle with the zeroing scheme I'm referencing, that's partly the point. If you use best judgement and hold groin area / 2 ft below the top of any hit zone inside of 600 and 2ft over past it, if you've got wind right you will make an effective hit. This method makes multiple ranged engagements very fast in comparison to dialing in, though its equipment enabled.

That's a viable torso, be it an elk or an antagonist. It's also a lot of leeway for thinner exposures not found with less accurate rifles or cartridges with more conventional intermediate ballistics.

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Old 06-02-2016, 06:56 PM   #13
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you aint shot any elk, apparently, cause no, the kill zone is NOT 2 ft deep. and those loads you mentioned won't expand a sp at such distances and you can't keep the animal from moving while your bullet's in the air., which means you've gut-shot it. Which means you're an asshole for taking such a shot.
 
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you aint shot any elk, apparently, cause no, the kill zone is NOT 2 ft deep. and those loads you mentioned won't expand a sp at such distances and you can't keep the animal from moving while your bullet's in the air., which means you've gut-shot it. Which means you're an asshole for taking such a shot.
Haven't shot any elk, but I've been within ten yards of em on a few occasions.

Guts are nowhere near heart and lungs. That would be a windage problem.

It would be an effective hit in a hurry if your life depended on that shot. If you want to get it exact, you can do that too. That's the joy of being versed in multiple ways of doing things.
 
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