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Old 05-10-2016, 02:10 PM   #1
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why cops want shorty AR's w can?

aint like they are scared of calling in more enemies. DUH, or scaring off game DUH again. Anybody who came would be helping the COP's. They want them so that they can hit what they are shooting at, more easily,and not blow out their ears, when they most need their hearing. it's only taken them 70 years longer to find out than it should have. They should have had canned 30 carbines in the 40's. (ww2 vet's familiar with it) or Remington full power autos, like Hamer used to kill bonnie and clyde, or the 351 Self loader Winchester. Of course, 70 years is how long it took for cops to figure out that autos were better than revolvers. Only took them 25 years to move to 2 handed shooting, but they still can't hit much. :-) ONE good hit on Platt, at less than 5 yds, out of 70 tries, and it was a fluke, cause the same guy missed him another 14x.

In the Diallo case, ONE good hit, out of 41 tries, and 7 of those were from right at Diallo's feet and he had NO gun. 15 tries from 5 yds, and others in between those ranges. Cops were stacked in a narrow corridor, couldn't hear crap once the first idjit fell and drew his gun. None of the cops admitted to being the first to fire, of course. but whackos like garand still CLAIM a silencer if of no benefit. That's how much "practical experience" HE has. :-)
 
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Old 05-10-2016, 02:18 PM   #2
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Of course all the cop's are stupid and the crooks are sooo smart. That's why their either locked up, dead, or living in van's and begging money on street corners. What does your sign say, John? "Homeless Viet Nam Vet?" Which you are not. The Viet Nam Vet anyway.
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Suppressors also reduce the risk of accidentally causing fire or explosion when serving warrants on clandestine labs.
 
 
Old 05-10-2016, 06:13 PM   #4
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mostly, cops want them cause it makes them look 'tacticool". :-)
 
Old 05-11-2016, 06:18 AM   #5
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Yeah,there is that. Amazing how many problem LEOs who make military gear into a fetish tend to not have a DD214....by the same token,some of the working professionals-who actually had right side unit patches/CIB's /prior service got things done in a low key understated fashion WITHOUT making things worse.
They also tended to be " adults" vs overly energetic and self important kids.
 
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just having a dd214 means absolutely nothing. The level of recruits they settle for is embarrassing
 
Old 05-11-2016, 03:03 PM   #7
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we'd be way ahead to have 20% as many troops and pay them all 5x as much. The real cost of a soldier is when he hits up VA for millions of $ of health care, 30-40 years after he gets out. When they are getting 80-100k per year, you can demand very high quality people, get very good perfomance and down the road, spend a LOT less money on them when they are older, both because they are the type to take care of their health and cause there's 5x less of them. I'd start by demanding non tobacco users and tee totalers.

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Old 05-11-2016, 04:31 PM   #8
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we'd be way ahead to have 20% as many troops and pay them all 5x as much. The real cost of a soldier is when he hits up VA for millions of $ of health care, 30-40 years after he gets out. When they are getting 80-100k per year, you can demand very high quality people, get very good perfomance and down the road, spend a LOT less money on them when they are older, both because they are the type to take care of their health and cause there's 5x less of them. I'd start by demanding non tobacco users and tee totalers.
Actually, we'd be a lot further ahead if the government wouldn't coddle Federal prisoners. Put them on a ration, meat twice a week. fruit and vegetables rationed also. The amount of food thrown away by convicts is a crime in itself. No welfare when they get out. Get a job, sink or swim. Give them a couple hundred dollars in gate money, a set of work clothes and out the door.
 
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But also restore their rights when released. If we let someone back into society, we should let them fully back into society. I never understood the idea that we can't trust them to vote in an election, after they've been set free to wander the mall where our kids are...

IMO, that one thing would HUGELY reduce recidivism and create a lot more contributing members of society in the long run.
 
Old 05-12-2016, 12:32 PM   #10
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But also restore their rights when released. If we let someone back into society, we should let them fully back into society. I never understood the idea that we can't trust them to vote in an election, after they've been set free to wander the mall where our kids are...

IMO, that one thing would HUGELY reduce recidivism and create a lot more contributing members of society in the long run.
How many times do we wipe the slate clean? The overwhelming percentage of recidivists in the Federal Prison System where inmates are given free education, job training and Community Programs Offices show that this is not working. The facts of the matter is that most criminals will return to crime because that IS their career. I know it's hard for a layman to understand. Inmates discuss, drug dealing, robbery, car theft, and every other crime like you or I would discuss Teaching, the Medical Field or running our own business. It's a way of life, not a one time mistake. Look at John. Locked up time after time, he still discusses his crimes like he's proud of them. Criminals look at honest people as stupid. Why work when you can steal? Sorry for the rant. A whole career of dealing with these low lifes makes you a tad bitter.
 
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To be honest, unless ALL civil rights resume at conclusion of sentence/parole/probation, the " slate "is not wiped clean.
Most of these programs are more " make work"for case managers .
Personally, I DO believe that there's a lot of people who should NOT ever be released. But if they ARE, the whole " half life" thing is a bit of a joke.
We have tended to " criminalize" many things that, at worst;are violations of arbitrary rules(NFA anyone? Made a FTF/private sale in a ban state and didn't ask Leviathan for permission? Grown your own smoke?) And other " real crimes " often get lesser sanction.
 
Old 05-12-2016, 01:04 PM   #12
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I didn't mean under today's statutes, I meant if we adopted an "All is forgiven" policy. The first time? 2nd? Always?
 
Old 05-12-2016, 01:07 PM   #13
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I'd try it for non violent, non sex offender convictions.
Of course, many of the types ID never want released-in an earlier time-never were. Some things are abhorrent enough that nothing but life or death will do.
 
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I would agree except for the fact that some non-violent crimes lead to violent ones. The drug seller on the corner is non-violent until someone want "his" corner. Then the guns come out. There was an extended family in Chicago who just happened to be selling crack in an area that some other bunch wanted. A non violent crime? They were only selling. 14 people shot. This happened last weekend. And I've said this before, locking someone up for growing weed in their backyard is ridiculous.
 
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All you can-or should -deal with is the disposition/CONVICTION...If the prosecutor could have made the case,then he/she shouldn't have dealt down.
My list of INDICTMENTS is such that a " plea deal " would STILL have had me in state prison for a lot of years. In fact, some CLEOS/licensure issuing authority have tried to determine " suitability " on "charges/INDICTMENTS vs convictions"- which to this very day has cost me much.
Imagine if I had taken the" deal"... Would someone like you be sitting in judgement of my worth?
Focus on real crimes (murder, assault, rape/molestation, kiddy porn,robbery,theft). Stop using the legal code as a way to short circuit the Constitution/Bill of Rights. The " real criminals "? Again, life or death. Everyone else? End of sentence, go and sin no more.... And don't" fu$% up again ".
 
Old 05-12-2016, 01:39 PM   #16
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And regarding the "14 people shot" over dealing? I don't care the motive-only that the shooting was not justified.
Don't care if a murder was " drug related "," disrespect related "," over a Yankees shirt at a Sox game"- only that it was murder-all else is mental masturbation.
 
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