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Old 04-13-2016, 01:55 PM   #1
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shtf, rifle sights where they can be broken

= stupid. same for any that need batteries. I want my sights in protected areas, like the irons on an AR, and I want them luminous. Sure, a scoped OPTION is nice, if the base is a "see thru" model, for iron sight use at night. Basically, tho, it's dumb to be in open country, in daylight, when there's armed hostiles about (who can really SHOOT, unlike goatherds and rice farmers). So, while I DO want a long-range and scoped option, the normal place for the scope is a hard belt case, for use (mostly) as a substitute for a binocular.

A big, heavy scope is silly on a 10" AR, so I chose the 2x7 Leupold compact. After all these 10's of thousands of shots carefully holding the gun vertical, I'm not going to undo all that training and tilt the gun sideways or at a 45 degree angle, so that I have no sights at all, or just one that's battery dependent, or any sights that are not night- capable. It's dark half of the time, folks, and enemies try to use that darkness whenever possible, as will I. So to deliberately NOT have night accuracy is retarded, just like not having a .22 option or silencer is retarded.

When shtf, laws won't mean a thing, but not having the capability that you SHOULD have is going to mean a LOT. Those who are dumb enough to not hole-up during daylight hours will have even more reason to have a silencer than those who do have some sense.

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Old 04-13-2016, 03:07 PM   #2
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= stupid. same for any that need batteries. I want my sights in protected areas, like the irons on an AR, and I want them luminous. Sure, a scoped OPTION is nice, if the base is a "see thru" model, for iron sight use at night. Basically, tho, it's dumb to be in open country, in daylight, when there's armed hostiles about (who can really SHOOT, unlike goatherds and rice farmers). So, while I DO want a long-range and scoped option, the normal place for the scope is a hard belt case, for use (mostly) as a substitute for a binocular.

A big, heavy scope is silly on a 10" AR, so I chose the 2x7 Leupold compact. After all these 10's of thousands of shots carefully holding the gun vertical, I'm not going to undo all that training and tilt the gun sideways or at a 45 degree angle, so that I have no sights at all, or just one that's battery dependent, or any sights that are not night- capable. It's dark half of the time, folks, and enemies try to use that darkness whenever possible, as will I. So to deliberately NOT have night accuracy is retarded, just like not having a .22 option or silencer is retarded.

When shtf, laws won't mean a thing, but not having the capability that you SHOULD have is going to mean a LOT. Those who are dumb enough to not hole-up during daylight hours will have even more reason to have a silencer than those who do have some sense.
Let's see the 10" AR
 
Old 04-13-2016, 05:51 PM   #3
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When shtf, laws won't mean a thing.
One thing that you are too stupid to consider, is the fact that BEFORE shtf, laws mean a lot. Considering how many times that you have been to jail, most people would have figured that they are doing something wrong with their lives.

Even being a con, you can legally carry out most of your preparations, with the exception of owning a firearm. But you appear to want to act like an idiot and do it illegally! Your not a survivalist, a prepper, or even a competitors in numerous shooting disciplines, your just a dirty little con who thinks it is possible to take the lazy way out and shoot the unsuspecting for their kit. You might get the upper hand a couple of times but there are people with far more fieldcraft experience than you will ever conceivably have, they will make short work of you. When that happens, there will be no surrendering to the nearest meter maid a second time.
 
 
Old 04-13-2016, 06:38 PM   #4
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My primary AR has irons and a red dot; lower 1/3 co-witnessed. Battery life on medium is ~2000 hours, which doesn't seem like much, but if untouched for six hours it shuts itself off; so that's a help. Other dots have much longer battery life nowadays, but this one works great, was decently priced, and is also night-vision compatible (with even longer battery lifespan).

I still use a Leupold 1-4X compact scope on my backup AR, also with irons. It's been on that gun for 15 years or more, it works, and I'm comfortable & familiar with it. But I'm a little faster on target with the red-dot sight on the other gun (yes, I do use a timer).

My 'reach out' AR is very different. No irons, but a Zeiss 3-9x40 (or 44?) scope and an 45-degree offset micro red dot in case I ever did need it for quick use. Doubtful it would ever be pressed into service for that, as it's not a combat carbine, with a full size A2 stock and 20" heavy stainless barrel. Much heavier gun than an AR needs to be, but with the free-floated heavy barrel, harris bipod, CMC trigger and Wylde chamber, it's more accurate than I am, even using relatively inexpensive PPU 69-grain HP stuff.
 
Old 04-14-2016, 01:03 PM   #5
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and just how do you get out of a fight to get to the other gun, John? :-) I just don't see any point in giving up the irons. If you'll make the "normal range' of the rear peep into a V sight, it's fast enough to let you toss up a pair of soda cans and hit them both in the air. can you do that with a red-dot? I dont have to worry about batteries at ALL, and the sights aren't hanging out there where they can get knocked off, either.
 
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Personally I spent over 18 years in uniform carrying a rifle with iron sights, during that time the rifles I were issued seen hard use, but I never experienced a problem when it came to using them, as they hit where they were aimed. During my last 10 years in uniform, I carried a rifle with a scope. As far as I was concerned, it was not worth effort due to the problems caused due to breakage, batteries and poor training due to lack of time and resources.
 
Old 04-15-2016, 01:12 PM   #7
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and just how do you get out of a fight to get to the other gun, John? :-)
Not sure what you mean about getting to the other gun..? I have more than one AR, but don't figure to use multiple guns in any single fight. Odds are frankly huge that never use any AR in a fight.


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I just don't see any point in giving up the irons.
The only AR that I don't have irons on is my bench/varmint AR, which has a micro red-dot backup. I can live with that. I don't have irons on it for the same reason I don't have irons on my other bench gun (a .308 bolt gun that you would be bound to hate), simply because they're not cqb guns. The absence of iron sights isn't the only (or even the worst) thing to make it a non-cqb gun - its extra-heavy barrel is an even bigger factor.
 
Old 04-15-2016, 05:42 PM   #8
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I don't hate inanimate objects, just proven pos people. I don't regard 99.9% of gun makes and models as being worth owning, but people should of course be free to waste their time and money.
 
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